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		<description><![CDATA[Adam Greenfieldâ€™s new book, The City Is Here For You To Use, is coming soon (photo above by Pepe Makkonen is from Adam Greenfieldâ€™s Flickr stream). Adam told me: â€œIâ€™m aiming at a free v1.0 PDF release on 05 June 2009, with the book shipping as quickly thereafter as humanly possible. There will be a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Adam Greenfieldâ€™s new book, <em><strong><a id="pxeu" title="The project description for Adam Greenfield's upcoming book, The City Is Here For You To Use" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/new-day-rising/" target="_blank">The City Is Here For You To Use</a></strong></em>, is coming soon (photo above by Pepe Makkonen is from <a id="souo" title="Adam Greenfield's Flickr stream" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/">Adam Greenfieldâ€™s Flickr stream)</a>. Adam told me:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>â€œIâ€™m aiming at a free v1.0 PDF release on 05 June 2009, with the book shipping as quickly thereafter as humanly possible. There will be a version zero or public alpha in about six weeks.â€</strong></p>
<p>I am not good at waiting for books I really want to read to arrive. But, on the upside, it brings out my already pretty highly developed investigative instinct. So when Adam very generously agreed to do an interview, impatience turned into delight in tasting what is to come. And Adam is encouraging this kind of engaged anticipation. He writes (<a id="v80w" title="see post" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/of-books-and-unbooks/">see post</a>) that <em>The City Is Here For You To Use</em>, is shaping up:</p>
<p><strong>â€œas something of an <a id="oj:9" title="unbook" href="http://theunbook.com/2009/02/18/what-is-an-unbook/">unbook</a><em> avant la lettre. </em>Itâ€™s why weâ€™ve [<a href="http://www.nurri.com/">Nurri Kim</a> and Adam Greenfield] always insisted on keeping you in the loop as to the bookâ€™s <a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/bookproject-update-005-year-two/">fitful progress</a>, itâ€™s why I take every opportunity to <a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/the-city-is-here-table-of-contents/">test its ideas here</a>, itâ€™s why I make explicit the fact that your response to those ideas is crucial to their evolution and expression. And itâ€™s why, even though the process is inevitably going to result in a static, physical document as one of its manifestations &#8211; and hopefully a very nice one indeed &#8211; weâ€™ve committed to offering a free and freely-downloadable Creative Commons-licensed PDF of every numbered version of <em>The City</em>, from zero onward.</strong></p>
<p><strong>You buy the book if you want the object. The ideas are free.â€</strong></p>
<p>I found the opportunity to ask Adam questions about some of his subtle renderings of technology, culture, and being in urban environments challenging and very illuminating.Â  Although I definitely get the feeling I am asleep at the wheel on some of the critical areas he is thinking and writing on.</p>
<p>Knowing the depth and range of Adam&#8217;s thought in his seminal book, <em><a id="you9" title="Everyware" href="http://www.studies-observations.com/everyware/">Everyware</a></em>, and his blog, <a id="r22r" title="Speedbird" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/">Speedbird</a>, before I began the conversation I asked Adam to point me to some of his posts that reflect key ideas he is working on at the moment (Adam has recently posted<em> </em><a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/the-city-is-here-table-of-contents/" target="_blank"><em>The City Is Here</em>: Table of contents</a>).Â  Adam directed me to these three posts.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/antisocial-networking/" target="_blank">Antisocial networking</a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/more-songs-about-context-and-mood/" target="_blank">More songs about context and mood</a></p>
<p><a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/messenger-space-messenger-body-messenger-mesh/" target="_blank">Messenger, space, messenger body, messenger mesh</a></p>
<p>I may ramble and diverge, as is my nature, but these posts inspired many of the questions I ask.</p>
<p>Adam is currently head of design direction for service and user-interface design at Nokia and living in Helsinki, so I did not have the opportunity to do the interview in person. But I have glimpsed Adamâ€™s world through his Flickr stream and some of these images have found their way into this post. But I suggest you browse Adamâ€™s photography for yourself. I cannot do justice to the thousands of nuanced perceptions of cities, networks and publics you will find there. In the meantime, here are three glyphs of Adam Greenfield that I liked a lot.</p>
<p><strong><em><a id="r315" title="&quot;My favorite shoes&quot;" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/2074835498/">â€œMy favorite shoes,â€</a> <a id="cg3n" title="&quot;My favorite chair,&quot;" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/2074042711/">â€œMy favori</a><a id="cg3n" title="&quot;My favorite chair,&quot;" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/2074042711/">te chairâ€</a> </em></strong><em>and</em><strong><em> </em></strong>photo by Adam Greenfield, <em><strong><a id="cg3n" title="&quot;My favorite chair,&quot;" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/2074042711/"> </a><a id="vjz1" title="&quot;Favoriteplace&quot;" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/1849426174/">â€œFavoriteplaceâ€</a></strong></em></p>
<p><strong><em><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/favoriteshoespost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2984" title="favoriteshoespost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/favoriteshoespost.jpg" alt="favoriteshoespost" width="225" height="225" /></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/favoritechair1.gif"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2975" title="favoritechair1" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/favoritechair1-300x225.gif" alt="favoritechair1" width="300" height="225" /></a></em></strong></p>
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<h3>A Conversation (in gdoc) with Adam Greenfield</h3>
<p><strong> Tish Shute:</strong> Could you explain a little about the evolution of your thoughts on urban environments, ubicomp and interaction design? What shifts in your thinking have taken place over the last few years re the dawning of the age of ubiquitous computing? It is a couple of years now since <a href="http://www.studies-observations.com/everyware/" target="_blank"><em>Everyware</em></a>, what aspects of the uptake of <em>Everyware</em> have most surprised, disappointed or inspired you? Which of the many thesis you discuss in <em>Everyware</em> have become the most crucial for <a id="pxeu" title="The project description for Adam Greenfield's upcoming book, The City Is Here For You To Use" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/new-day-rising/" target="_blank"><em>The City Is Here For You To Use</em>?</a></p>
<p><strong>Adam Greenfield: You know, thereâ€™s a little passage in the liner notes to the second Throbbing Gristle album that I always think of when Iâ€™m asked questions along these lines. As part of their stance, theyâ€™d adopted the dry tone of a corporate annual report, and the preamble began by saying, â€œSince our last report to you, many things have changed. Indeed, it would be foolish to assume that it could be otherwise.â€ And I think thatâ€™s just exactly right: the world keeps moving, and the positions weâ€™d staked ourselves to not so long ago may no longer be correct, or even relevant, to the one we find ourselves inhabiting now.<br />
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<strong>So, first, I think itâ€™s important to cop to all the places in <em>Everyware</em> where I just outright got things wrong. Thereâ€™s a passage in Thesis 50, for example, where I unaccountably mock the idea that â€œthe mobile phoneâ€¦will do splendidly as a mediating artifact for the delivery of [ubiquitous] services.â€ OK, this was admittedly written in a pre-iPhone world &#8211; and was correct <em>for</em> that world &#8211; but you can really see my parochialism showing here. It took the iPhone to make the proposition as blazingly self-evident to me in North America as it had been for quite some time to folks in Europe and Asia.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Having said that, though, I think Iâ€™m justified in taking a little pride in what the book got right. The broader trends the book set out to discuss &#8211; the colonization of everyday life by information processing &#8211; well, take a good look around you. And so one of the points of departure for the new book is taking everything posited in <em>Everyware</em> as a given: the urban environment, and most everything in it as well, has been provisioned with the kind of abilities you mention. So what now?</strong></p>
<p><strong>How do you go about designing informatic systems so they donâ€™t undermine the wonderful things about cities? How do you design cities so they can incorporate networked informatics to greatest advantage? How, especially, do you accomplish these things when the disciplinary communities involved barely speak the same language? And how do you keep everyoneâ€™s eyes on the prize, which is the ordinary human being asked to make sense of these new propositions? These are the questions<em> </em><em>The City Is Here For You To Use </em>sets out to address.</strong></p>
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<p><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/02/adamgreenfieldthelonghere.jpg"></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/adamgreenfieldthelonghere.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2993" title="adamgreenfieldthelonghere" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/adamgreenfieldthelonghere.jpg" alt="adamgreenfieldthelonghere" width="500" height="321" /></a></p>
<p><em>Adam talking about the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/3181518615/" target="_blank">â€œLe Long Iciâ€</a> in Paris (also see Adamâ€™s post, <a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/the-long-here-and-the-big-now/" target="_blank">â€œThe long here and the big nowâ€</a>)</em><strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>TS:</strong> You mention that the hardest parts ofÂ  producing <a id="pxeu" title="The project description for Adam Greenfield's upcoming book, The City Is Here For You To Use" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/new-day-rising/" target="_blank"><em>The City Is Here For You To Use</em></a> wasnâ€™t <em><strong>â€œkeeping on top of all the emergent manifestations of urban informatics, or even developing a satisfying spinal argument about their significanceâ€</strong></em> but getting the voice right.Â  It seems that now is the perfect time for a book that would really speak to a wide audience.Â  But also it seems that the city that is here for you to use is manifesting quite differently in different parts of the world?Â  You seem to be somewhat of a nomad, Japan to NYC to Helsinki.Â  Can putting together different views of urban informatics give us more depth perception on the emergence of ubiquitous computing?</p>
<p><strong>AG: Thereâ€™s no question in my mind that the long-term experience of everyday life in Tokyo, New York, and now Helsinki has been an invaluable asset to me, as I imagine it would be to anybody interested in thinking or writing about the networked city. Itâ€™s given me a certain amount of parallax, you know? And that, in turn, throws a really interesting light onto how the selfsame technology can appear in substantially different guises in different social contexts.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But explaining those things &#8211; those complicated, delicate negotiations &#8211; getting them right, doing them justice, doing so in a way that doesnâ€™t dumb anything down, and still remaining accessible? Itâ€™s a challenge, let me tell you. You want to remain approachable and humane, but you also want to explain things like different jurisprudential takes on property, or how advocates of RESTful architectures think that REST is the reason why Internet adoption spread as rapidly as it did. If you want to enjoy even one chance in a hundred of getting your message across, youâ€™ve got to start with an understanding that those subjects are MEGO territory for most people &#8211; whether they hail from Shibuya, Shoreditch or San Pedro.</strong></p>
<p><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/02/everywareicon.jpg"></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/everywareicon.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2996" title="everywareicon" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/everywareicon.jpg" alt="everywareicon" width="136" height="135" /></a></p>
<p><em><strong><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/89045331/" target="_blank">Everyware icons: Information processing dissolving into behavior</a></strong></em><em><strong> </strong>(Icons inspired by <a href="http://www.elasticspace.com/" target="_blank">Timo Arnall</a>; design by Adam Greenfield and <a href="http://www.nurri.com/">Nurri Kim</a>).Â  [Adam notes on his Flickr page that he tweaked <a href="http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=14112399%40N00&amp;q=everyware+icons&amp;m=text" target="_blank">these icons </a>as section headers for </em><em><a href="http://www.studies-observations.com/everyware/" target="_blank"><em>Everyware</em></a></em><em>]</em></p>
<p><strong>TS:</strong> Could you explain more about what you term â€œontoâ€ and â€œontomeâ€ and how this differs from spimes and spime wrangling?<strong><br />
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AG: You know, I never did get to develop that idea as much as I would have liked. In my mind, at least, â€œontomeâ€ referred to the totality &#8211; the global environment of addressable, queryable, scriptable objects. (An â€œonto,â€ then, would be any given such object.) I guess I was looking for words that would do two things: allow us to distinguish between the instantiation and the class, and leave us with a better word than â€œspime.â€</strong></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>When you say better word than spime this is this becauseâ€¦.<br />
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AG: Euphony, primarily. : . )</strong></p>
<p><strong>TS:</strong> When I first used the Android app,Â  <a href="http://www.mobilizy.com/wikitude.php" target="_blank">Wikitude</a>, on Broadway, NYC &#8211; a street I have traveled thousands and thousands of times, and it offered up new information about itself, it was definitely an â€œOMG this is big!â€ moment for me. Like the first time I clicked on a screen and Amazon sent out a book in the early nineties (something so ordinary now it seems impossible that it was exciting but I remember it was to me!). But if I understand <a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/worth-a-thousand-words-etc/" target="_blank">your post here</a> correctly, isnâ€™t Android with compass the first easy-to-use context-aware mediator for wrangling onto, ontome and spimes?<strong><br />
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<strong>AG: Wikitude sure looks pretty impressive, and maybe even useful. But I would never, ever call it â€œcontext-aware.â€<br />
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<strong>To my mind, at least two more things would need to happen before we could comfortably think of it a â€œcontext-aware spime wrangler.â€ First, the buildings and other public objects around you would actually have to be spimy &#8211; theyâ€™d have to report something of their past and current state to the network. And then, some application running on your phone would somehow have to cross-reference that state information with some fact about your current state of being, and deliver you relevant information.</strong></p>
<p><strong>S</strong><strong>o, letâ€™s take your Wikitude example. Youâ€™re walking down Broadway and you pass an unfamiliar building, and for whatever reason you want to know more about it. Your phone pings the buildingâ€™s dynamic self-description, and it replies to the effect that Andy Warhol had his Factory there between 1973 and 1984. If Wikitude chooses to share this particular piece of information with you, and not some other potentially germane factoid from the buildingâ€™s history, on the strength of the fact that â€œThe Velvet Underground and Nicoâ€ was in your last.fm playlist? That would constitute some small measure of context-awareness.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But you see how hard we had to try just to come up with an example, how forced it is, how</strong><em><strong> so-what. </strong></em><strong>And I have to say that &#8211; short of some infinitely supple system that really could model your innermost desires ahead of real time, and present appropriate responses to them &#8211; most so-called â€œcontext-awareâ€ applications and services are like this. Theyâ€™re either trivial, or wildly overambitious.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maybe we donâ€™t need for things to be context-aware for them to be useful, anyway. Certainly a great many objects in the world are starting to report their own status, and many more will do so in the fullness of time. And for the most part, all youâ€™ll need to avail yourself of them is a Web browser running on a device that knows where it is in the world. An iPhone or an Android device will work splendidly &#8211; I called the iPhone â€œthe first real everyware deviceâ€ the day it came out and I was able to play with it for the first time &#8211; and in that way, the answer to your question is â€œyes.â€ Not to be longwinded or anything. ; . )</strong></p>
<p><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/02/objectwithimperceptibleproperties.jpg"></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/objectwithimperceptibleproperties.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-3000" title="objectwithimperceptibleproperties" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/objectwithimperceptibleproperties-300x212.jpg" alt="objectwithimperceptibleproperties" width="300" height="212" /></a></p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/206984090/#DiscussPhoto" target="_blank">This Object has imperceptible properties. </a> [Adam notes on his Flickr page: &#8220;This is a custom RFID-enabled transit pass that <a href="http://www.elasticspace.com/" target="_blank">Timo Arnall </a>had made up for me here in Seoul. I&#8217;ve (clumsily) tagged it with the icon that Nurri and I developed to represent just such emergent situations as this in the everyware milieu &#8211; that there&#8217;s no way for anyone to understand that this object has puissance beyond the obvious simply by examining it.&#8221;]</em></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>It seems thatÂ  we are just at the beginning of understanding how to create networks of spimes (e.g. <a href="http://www.pachube.com/" target="_blank">Pachube</a>). Gavin Starks of <a id="ya:2" title="AMEE" href="http://www.amee.com/">AMEE</a> (â€the worldâ€™s energy meterâ€) once suggested to me that AMEE could be described as a facilitator of networked spimes (everything will have an energy identity). I think you may be familiar with AMEE because you keynoted next to Gavin at<a href="http://2007.xtech.org/public/schedule/grid/2007-05-16" target="_blank"> Xtech 2007</a>.</p>
<p>I would be interested to hear your thoughts on AMEE?</p>
<p>When <a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/worth-a-thousand-words-etc/" target="_blank">you discussed onto and ontome in this post</a>, you noted:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>â€œThe greater part of the places and things we find in the world will be provided with the ability to speak and account for themselves. That theyâ€™ll constitute a coherent environment, an <a href="http://www.graphpaper.com/2006/03-23_a-spime-is-a-species">ontome</a> of <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/89092744/">self-describing networked objects</a>, and that weâ€™ll find having some means of handling <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050117141647/www.v-2.org/greenfieldspime.pdf">the information flowing off of them</a> very useful indeed.â€</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>Is the idea of â€œenergy identityâ€ that AMEE proposes an ontome?Â  <em><br />
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</strong></em><strong>AG: See below for a prÃ©cis of my feelings regarding environmental/sustainability initiatives, AMEE included. Uhâ€¦is AMEE an ontome? No. Thereâ€™s just one ontome, and itâ€™s coextensive with what folks now call the Internet of Things. It sounds like individual AMEE sensors would be â€œontos.â€</strong></p>
<p><strong>But I think the difficulty weâ€™re having is a pretty good indicator that the terminology is more trouble than itâ€™s worth. Sometimes a coinage, as satisfying as it may be lexically, just doesnâ€™t work for people. These days Iâ€™m trying to get out of the neologism trade.</strong></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>I know <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2009/01/28/pachube-patching-the-planet-interview-with-usman-haque/" target="_blank">when Usman Haque talks about Pachube</a> he talks about spimes and spime wrangling. I asked Usman for his thoughts on spimes and onto/ontome and he gave me some comments.</p>
<p><strong>Usman Haque:</strong> I think I had somehow missed the conversation about onto and ontome but backtracked through blog posts to piece it together (unfortunately some posts at v-2 and Studies &amp; Observations no longer exist!). There are a couple of things that have made me uncomfortable about the word â€™spimeâ€™: (a) the fact that it might be too easy to confuse with an â€œobjectâ€. A â€™spimeâ€™ should also encompass relationships between things, and not just the â€œthingnessâ€ itself. (b) the sound of it (as Adam noted above). But then I am reminded of that horrible gooey interface used to plug into people in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/">eXistenZ</a> &#8211; it somehow seems appropriate that it should be a horrible gooey word, and not something that can disappear politelyâ€¦ So I like onto/ontome because it speaks to my first concern about â€™spimeâ€™; but my second concern, it turns out, is not the problem I thought it was, and so onto/ontome might beâ€¦ ahemâ€¦ too euphonic! On the question of this thing people are calling the â€œInternet of Thingsâ€, Iâ€™ve tried in lectures to reframe it as the â€œEcosystem of Environmentsâ€. Further, Vlad Trifa makes a delicious point that just as â€˜webâ€™ is different from â€˜internetâ€™, so too should we consider the â€œWeb of Thingsâ€<strong> </strong>rather than the â€œInternet of Thingsâ€, something I agree with.</p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>It seems like this point about the difference between â€œthe web of thingsâ€ and the â€œinternet of thingsâ€ is pretty important?<br />
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AG: The parallel distinction between Web and Internet sure is! Theyâ€™re two completely different things, right? And http is far from the only protocol that runs over the Internet. Now, as to what Vlad means by extending this particular distinction to the domain of networked objects, I donâ€™t yet know, I havenâ€™t had time to check it out. But sure, in principle Iâ€™d totally be willing to go along with the idea that thereâ€™s a meaningful distinction between two environments named that way.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>TS: </strong>I was just going over <a id="yo_s" title="Greenfield's principles of ubiquitous computing" href="http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2006/10/adam-greenfield.php">Greenfieldâ€™s principles of ubiquitous computing</a>.Â  I am not sure that I see any current manifestations of ubicomp that hold to these priniciples yet?</p>
<p><strong>AG: Oh, sure there are. Look at the work Tom Coates has done on <a href="http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/" target="_blank">Yahoo!â€™s Fire Eagle</a>; look at <a href="http://www.dopplr.com/" target="_blank">Dopplr</a>. And look at some of the steps other, less compassionate developers (e.g. Facebook) have been forced to take by their own users.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Look, those principles are just codifications of common sense and basic neighborly virtues, expressed in language appropriate to the domain of application. The best, smartest and most ethical developers have never needed guidelines to do the right thing. But especially inside companies and other complex organizations, people who want to implement compassion in their design of a technical system may occasionally find it useful to have some color of authority to invoke in their struggles</strong><strong>. Thatâ€™s all those five principles are there for, and Iâ€™m well satisfied that people have been able to use them that way.</strong></p>
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<p><em><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/501331002/" target="_blank">Boffiâ€™s take on the smart home</a>- photo by Adam Greenfield</em></p>
<p><strong>TS:</strong> In your post, <a id="klme" title="More Songs About Context And Mood" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/more-songs-about-context-and-mood/">More Songs About Context And Mood,</a> you suggest a direction for interaction design that you point out is not far from Yvonne Rogersâ€™ ideas in â€œMoving on from Weiserâ€ about a switch in goal of ubicomp from Weiserâ€™s vision of calm living (â€computers appearing when needed and disappearing when notâ€) to engaged living &#8211; ubicomp technologies not designed to to do things for people but to help people engage more actively in things that they do (ensembles, ecologies of resources).</p>
<p>You also suggest interaction designers should be:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>&#8220;parsimonious about the interaction design challenges our organizations do take on, with an eye toward reducing the complications of context (and the attendant opportunities for default, misunderstanding, misfire, time-wasting, and humiliation) to some manageable minimum.&#8221;</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>As you have pointed out, â€œwe donâ€™t do â€œsmartâ€ very well yet.â€ But paradoxically smart grids, smart homes, smart products etc. etc. are ubiquitously coming to market right now.</p>
<p>Yvonne Rogers suggests interaction designers should be:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>moving from a mindset that wants to make the environment smart and proactive to one that enables people, themselves, to be smarter and proactive in their everyday and working practices</em><em> </em></p></blockquote>
<p>What areas might interaction designers most productively direct their attention towards?<br />
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<p><strong>AG: You note that things called â€œsmart homesâ€ and â€œsmart productsâ€ are coming onto the market, and that sure would seem to be the case. But as to whether or not these things are genuinely smart, we donâ€™t have anything more to go on than the marketing departmentâ€™s word. I think you can already see that I tend to take language very seriously, and I really donâ€™t uses like the â€œsmartâ€ here, or the â€œawareâ€ in â€œcontext-aware.â€ They overpromise, they cannot help to set us up for failure and disappointment.</strong></p>
<p><strong>You know what Iâ€™d really like to see interaction design wrestle with? I would love to see a rigorous, no-holds-barred examination of the complexities of the self and its performance in everyday life, and how these condition our use of public space (and personal media in public space). I would love to see the development of ostensibly â€œsocialâ€ platforms informed by some kind of reckoning with issues like vulnerability, dishonesty, the fact of power dynamics. In other words, before we deign to go about â€œhelpingâ€ people, wouldnâ€™t it be lovely if we understood what they perceived themselves as needing help with, and why?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Iâ€™d also pay good money to see talented interaction designers turn their efforts toward tools for the support of deliberative democracy, for the navigation of complex multivariate decision spaces, and for conflict resolution.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>TS:</strong> I know you said this would take too long to explain but I couldnâ€™t help noticing that you seem to be, perhaps, skeptical about the role of everyware can play in sustainable living and yet, it seems at the moment, in the hacker and business communities at least, the role of everyware in reducing carbon footprint/energy management etc, is the great green hope?</p>
<p>Will everyware enable or hinder fundamental changes at the level of culture and identity necessary to support the urgent global need &#8211; â€œto consume less and redefine prosperity?â€<strong><br />
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<strong>AG: Iâ€™m not skeptical about the potential of ubiquitous systems to meter energy use, and maybe even incentivize some reduction in that use &#8211; not at all. Iâ€™m simply not convinced that anything we do will make any difference.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Look, I think we really, seriously screwed the pooch on this. We have fouled the nest so thoroughly and in so many ways that I would be absolutely shocked if humanity comes out the other end of this century with any level of organization above that of clans and villages.</strong><strong> Itâ€™s not just carbon emissions and global warming, itâ€™s depleted soil fertility, itâ€™s synthetic estrogens bioaccumulating in the aquatic food chain</strong><strong>, itâ€™s our inability to stop using antibiotics in a way that gives rise to multi-drug-resistance in microbes</strong><strong>. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Any one of these threats in isolation would pose a challenge to our ability to collectively identify and respond to it, as itâ€™s clear anthropogenic global warming already does. Put all of these things together, assess the total threat they pose in the light of our societiesâ€™ willingness and/or capacity to reckon with them, and I think any moderately knowledgeable and intellectually honest person has to conclude that itâ€™s more or less â€œgame over, manâ€ &#8211; that sometime in the next sixty years or so a convergence of Extremely Bad Circumstances is going to put an effective end to our ability to conduct highly ordered and highly energy-intensive civilization on this planet, for something on the order of thousands of years to come.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So (sorry <em>again</em>, Bruce) I just donâ€™t buy the idea that weâ€™re going to consume our way to Ecotopia. Nor is any symbolic act of abjection on my part going to postpone the inevitable by so much as a second, nor would such a sacrifice do anything meaningful to improve anybody elseâ€™s outcomes. Iâ€™d rather live comfortably &#8211; hopefully not obscenely so &#8211; in the years we have remaining to us, use my skills as they are most valuable to people, and cherish each moment for what it uniquely offers.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maybe some people would find that prospect morbid, or nihilistic, but I find it kind of inspiring. It becomes even more crucial that we not waste the little time we do have on broken systems, broken ways of doing things. The primary question for the designers of urban informatics under such circumstances is to design systems that underwrite autonomy, that allow people to make the best and wisest and most resonant use of whatever time they have left on the planet. And who knows? That effort may bear fruit in ways we have no way of anticipating at the moment. As it says in the Quâ€™ran, gorgeously: â€œAt the end of the world, plant a tree.â€</strong></p>
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<p><em><a href="http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=biowall&amp;w=14112399%40N00" target="_blank">Biowall! </a>- photo by Adam Greenfield</em></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>In <a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/antisocial-networking/" target="_blank">your post â€œAntisocial Networking,â€</a> you make some telling comments on the sorry state of social networking systems.</p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><strong><em>â€œAll</em> <em>social-networking systems, as currently designed, demonstrably create social awkwardnesses that did not, and could not, exist before. All social-networking systems constrain, by design and intention, any expression of the full band of human relationship types to a very few crude options &#8211; and those static! A wiser response to them would be to recognize that, in the words of the old movie, â€œthe only way to win is not to play.â€</em></strong></div>
<p>But you do also state:</p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><strong><em>â€œBut itâ€™s past time for me to acknowledge that while the discourse of social networking may at first blush seem marginal to my core concerns, itâ€™s far more central to those concerns than I might wish.â€</em></strong></div>
<p>Which of your concerns is social networking more central to than you might wish and why?</p>
<p><strong>AG: Well, you know Iâ€™m interested in social interaction, interpersonal behavior, and in how these things play out in networked environments. Thereâ€™s virtually no way for me to avoid dealing with Facebook, as wretched as I think it is</strong><strong>.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Facebook is pretty hegemonic, in that its reach and influence extend further than the universe of people who use it. I bump up against it constantly, in a few different ways. People send me links I canâ€™t access, because Iâ€™m not on Facebook. People spend time and energy trying to convince me that Iâ€™m really missing out, because Iâ€™m not on Facebook. The last few months, thereâ€™s even been a few people who feel justified in expressing some kind of </strong><strong>exasperation, that theyâ€™re really pissed offâ€¦because they canâ€™t find me on Facebook. Itâ€™s become the sovereign interface to any kind of life in public</strong><strong>, and as a result a great many people donâ€™t question its modes, tropes and metaphors.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So when it comes time to build some kind of situated interpersonal mediation framework, some kind of intervention in the fabric of the city, those are the tropes they reach for: accounts, profiles, friend counts, friendings and unfriendings, nudges and pokes. And as a member of a team tasked with the design of such systems, as a potential user of them, and certainly as someone exposed to the social rhetoric flowing downstream from their use, you bet these tropes become central to my concerns.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But what if we admitted that Facebook and the whole paradigm itâ€™s built on are broken? What would things look like if we started from a more sensitive understanding of the interaction between self and others? Say, the understanding Erving Goffman was offering us as far back as the late 1950s? Then youâ€™d understand the need for provisions like a â€œbackstage,â€ a place to swap out one mask for another, the ability to present oneself differently to different communities and networks. Thatâ€™s what Iâ€™m interested in exploring.</strong></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>Social networking systems in their current form are crude and express a very narrow bandwidth of human relationship. But already people are connecting everywareâ€™s networked social acts to existing social networking systems. At the ITP winter show there was <a id="eo:2" title="kickbee" href="http://gizmodo.com/5109297/kickbee-now-the-world-can-know-what-your-fetus-is-up-to">kickbee</a> &#8211; networked fetal communication (and <a id="kwj6" title="tweetmobile" href="http://tweetmobile.com/">tweetmobile</a> which used twitter as an acctuator for an ambient display) and green everyware (energy monitoring) is showing up in a number forms on existing social networks. But rather than just hooking up everyware to these existing flawed social network systems, does everyware require a reimagining of networked social interactions and social networking systems?<strong><br />
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<strong>AG: Thatâ€™s a great question, and I think the answer is clearly â€œyes.â€ Itâ€™s one thing to confine the consequences of that brokenness to the Web, and entirely another to let it bleed out into the world.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Does that mean any such reimagining is <em>going</em> to happen, that people will somehow refrain from plugging real-world outputs into these terribly flawed frameworks? Not a chance in hell. Itâ€™s too late to put a fence on that particular cliff. But maybe thereâ€™s still time to park an ambulance in the valley</strong><strong> below.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>TS: </strong>I saw you tweet that you met Usman Haque from <a href="http://www.pachube.com/" target="_blank">Pachube</a> recently. What do you find most interesting about Pachube and <a href="http://www.eeml.org/" target="_blank">EEML</a>? Will you design a project for Pachube to push the conversation further?Â  Did Usman ask you to take a role in the future of Pachube. How does Pachube enable the vision of<em> <a id="pxeu" title="The project description for Adam Greenfield's upcoming book, The City Is Here For You To Use" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/new-day-rising/" target="_blank"> The City Is Here For You To Use</a></em>? I could go on for ever with questions,Â  so please do tell!</p>
<p><strong>AG: OK, I should probably reiterate that my fundamental interest is in people, and in what they choose to make and do with technology, not the technology itself. For the last few years, Iâ€™ve particularly been trying to understand how people interact with each other and with the urban environments around them when those environments have been provisioned with the ability to gather, process and take action on data. And this is how I come about my interest in what Usman is up to with Pachube, because those â€œgather,â€ â€œprocessâ€ and â€œtake action uponâ€ functions are generally accomplished by different systems, designed by different groups of people, at different times and to different ends. What Pachube aims to do is make the difficult and not-particularly-glamorous work of connecting these pieces a whole lot easier.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Think of it as a step toward enabling the ontome, this so-called Internet of Things we&#8217;ve been talking about, the same way basic protocols like HTTP and HTML enabled the wildfire spread of the Internet weâ€™re familiar with. What Pachube offers is a way &#8211; a relatively straightforward and self-explanatory way &#8211; to plug any given compatible input into a similarly compatible output. So if youâ€™ve got an air-quality sensor or a soil-pH sensor or a personal biometric monitor, you can plug it into Pachube, and someone else can grab the data those things generate and use it to drive a visualization, or the state of a physical system like a window, or whatever else they can imagine. Itâ€™s as close as anyoneâ€™s yet come to providing a plug-and-play backbone for the creation of responsive environments.</strong></p>
<p><strong>And I think itâ€™s absolutely brilliant that itâ€™s designed to work with Arduino and Processing, two lightweight, open-source frameworks that hobbyists and researchers (and even one or two more serious developers) around the world are already using to build things. (Arduinoâ€™s a kit of parts for doing basic physical computing &#8211; using data to drive lights, motors, and other actuators that have effect out here in the world &#8211; while Processing is a very accessible language to do dynamic and interactive graphics for screen-based media). Given both its openness and modularity, and its willingness to build on top of the very popular frameworks that already exist, Iâ€™m very excited to see what people make of and with Pachube.</strong></p>
<p><strong>I have to be honest and admit that personally, I couldnâ€™t really care less about the environmental angle, for reasons that I went into at embarrassing length above. What Iâ€™m engaged by in Usmanâ€™s work is the idea that Pachube is helping to create an open platform for people to share data more readily. And while, no, he hasnâ€™t explicitly asked me to take any particular stake in things, Iâ€™m always happy to lend a hand in whatever way would be most useful. I think itâ€™s a project worth supporting.</strong></p>
<p><strong>As to how Pachube enables some of the ideas in</strong><em><strong> The City Is Here</strong></em><strong>, the answer has to do with the bookâ€™s call for every â€œpublic objectâ€ &#8211; every lamppost, bus shelter, commercial faÃ§ade, and so forth &#8211; to support an open API. Somethingâ€™s got to string all those objects together, present them to people as resources to be taken up and used, and Usmanâ€™s offered us a critical first step in that direction.</strong><em><strong><br />
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<strong>TS:</strong> Usman suggested, it might be interesting to ask you about â€œthe tension between â€˜couldâ€™ and â€™should.â€™</p>
<p><strong>Usman Haque: </strong>There are a whole bunch of things that we â€œcanâ€ do, technologically speaking; how do we decide what we â€™shouldâ€™ do, as we find ourselves in an age where we can build almost anything we can imagineâ€¦? particularly with reference to technology/privacy/security triumvirate. e.g., leaving aside that the majority of the world is *not* in the technology â€˜paradiseâ€™ that weâ€™re in, here in the west, only a small fraction of people are currently producing the technology that the rest of us use; one aim is to get people more engaged in the productive process, but, in a sense that will also mean the whole wide ecosystem of technology will be even bigger, both â€œgoodâ€ stuff and â€œbadâ€ (that qualification firmly placed on how itâ€™s used), as opposed to now when we can focus on quite specific things that government &amp; industry are doing and saying â€œthat shouldnâ€™t be happeningâ€¦.â€. part of this relates to something <span class="nfakPe">adam </span>said on his blogÂ  in the comments (see <a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/urban-computing-pamphlet-is-go/" target="_blank">here</a>).â€Â <strong><a href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/urban-computing-pamphlet-is-go/" target="_blank"> </a></strong></p>
<p><strong>AG: I think the first part of answering that question has to involve figuring out who â€œweâ€ are in any given situation. A â€œweâ€ composed of seven Helsinki-based Linux developers would most likely arrive at very different answers than the United States Air Force Materiel Command or Samsungâ€™s board of directors, right? So clearly, a first challenge is getting to some kind of pragmatically useful alignment between those local and occasionally even painfully parochial perspectives with whatâ€™s best for the Big We. And this challenge is only going to become more vexing as the ability to imagine, design, build and deploy informatic componentry gets more and more widely distributed. In this respect the spread of simple, modular, low-barrier-to-entry tools only makes things worse!</strong></p>
<p><strong>The primary issue that I can see here is that the inherent clock speed of technical development is so very much faster than that of any meaningful deliberative process â€œweâ€ might bring to bear on it. A concomitant concern is that the sources of technical innovation and production are now so widely distributed that you can be reasonably certain that somebody, somewhere will implement any given technically feasible idea, no matter how offensive, poorly thought-out, socially disruptive or frankly stupid. A public toilet you have to SMS to unlock and use? A â€œFriend Finderâ€ visualization with high locational precision and no privacy features whatsoever? A first-person rape-simulation â€œgameâ€? A clunky brown iPod knockoff? Somebody thought each one of these things was worth the time, expense and effort to actually go about making it. They exist.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But Iâ€™m pretty old-fashioned in some ways, in that I think the good old Habermasian idea of the public sphere still has some life left in it. And I think it should be self-evident by now that thereâ€™s no necessary contradiction between even the newest (cough) â€œsocial mediaâ€ and the formation of such a sphere. So youâ€™ve provided a forum, and in it I get to express my belief that these things are stupid and pointless and probably should not have been built. And if somebody gets all het up about that, they can argue right back at me in comments. And eventually one or another of these positions begins to tell, in terms of regulation, legislation, and other tools of the juridical order, in terms of protest campaigns or organized boycotts or litigationâ€¦in terms of nonexistent sales!</strong></p>
<p><strong>Thereâ€™s nothing new in any of this, of course, though indubitably some of the dynamics are amplified or accelerated by e-mail, Twitter and YouTube. My main contention is that informatic technology now has such deeply pervasive implications, and for things like presentation of self that previous waves of technical development barely touched, that â€œweâ€ as societies need to be very much more conscious of the consequences before committing to any one course of action.</strong></p>
<p><strong>I should also point out that I do not, at all, believe that weâ€™re â€œin an age where we can build almost anything we can imagine,â€ though I might buy â€œâ€¦<em>two or three of</em> almost anything we can imagine.â€ On the contrary, as I implied above, I think the global constraints on our ability to operate freely are already becoming quite evident, and will continue to grow teeth over the next few decades.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Usman Haque:</strong> ..where Adam said: <em>in this regard, I very much *do* have a problem with â€œjust showing up.â€ â€” </em>something I feel that as well. but i always wonder: What happens when one appears to be mandating participationâ€¦?</p>
<p><strong>AG: Look, I happen to have a strong &#8211; maybe some would say obnoxious or hyperactive or overdeveloped &#8211; sense of personal responsibility and accountability. I think one is basically committed to some measure of responsibility for the commonweal simply by surviving to the age of majority. The</strong><strong> choice of how, particularly, to discharge that responsibility</strong><strong> can only be yours and yours alone, but it canâ€™t be ducked or gotten around without severe and entirely predictable consequences. So to Usman Iâ€™d respectfully suggest that Iâ€™m not the one mandating participation. Life is.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>TS:</strong> It seems we have grown accustomed to striking a Faustian bargain on the internet today -Â  in order to share and distribute parts of our identity we are expected to give up key information to one site to store and disperse our data. <strong> </strong>I took part in<a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2007/12/21/a-conversation-with-eben-moglen-on-second-life/" target="_blank"> a discussion with David Levine, IBM and Eben Moglen on privacy</a> last year.Â  And Eben Moglen gave a succinct description of the elements of privacy and how they have been treated in the American Constitution that is, I think, relevant to unpacking some of the challenges of ubiquitious computing. Here are some extracts from that conversation where, Eben notes:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>there are three elements that are mixed up in privacy and we tend not to notice which one we are talking about at any given moment.</em></p>
<p><em>There is secrecy &#8211; that is the data should not be readable by or understandable by anybody except me or people I designate. There is anonymity which is the data can be seen by anybody but about whom it is should be knowable only by me or people that I designate. And there is autonomy which isnâ€™t about either secrecy or anonymity but which is about my right to live under circumstances which reinforce my sense that I am in control of my own fate. And this form of privacy is actually the one we talk about in the constitutional structure when we talk about the right to get an abortion or use birth control.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>â€œAnonymityâ€ is a condition that is a deep structuring characteristic of the internet as you, Lessig and others have commented on.Â  And frequently we are promised (questionably) â€œsecrecyâ€ or anonymity as privacy protection by services handling our data on the internet.Â  But Eben (one of the USâ€™s great constitutional lawyers) points out that â€œautonomyâ€ is a key form of privacy in theÂ  US constitutional structure that is often compromised in situations where our digital selves may constrain our non-digital selves.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The real issue here is about the forcing of choices on usâ€¦digital aspects of identity can quickly acquire an inflexibilty that constrains our non-digital selves.</em></p>
<p><em>I see again and again the ways in which people now find themselves unable to make certain life choices easily because there digital self has acquired an inflexibility that constrains their non-digital self.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>As we go beyond the end to end internet and we lose the structuring characteristic that has privileged anonymity: How do you see these three elements of privacy, anonymity, secrecy and most importantly autonomy, being worked out in a networked world beyond the end to end internet?</p>
<p>Are there any new structuring characteristics that could privilege autonomy? (which Eben indicates is linked to having a flexible identity).</p>
<p><strong>AG: If we accept for the moment a definition of autonomy as a feeling of being master of oneâ€™s own fate, then absolutely yes. One thing I talk about a good deal is using ambient situational awareness to lower decision costs &#8211; that is, to lower the information costs associated with arriving at a choice presented to you, and at the same time mitigate the opportunity costs of having committed yourself to a course of action. When given some kind of real-time overview of all of the options available to you in a given time, place and context &#8211; and especially if that comes wrapped up in some kind of visualization that makes anomaly detection and edge-case analysis instantaneous gestalts, to be grasped in a single glance &#8211; your personal autonomy is tremendously enhanced. <em>Tremendously</em> enhanced.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But as to how this local autonomy could be deployed in Moglenâ€™s more general terms, I donâ€™t know, and Iâ€™m not sure anyone does. Because heâ€™s absolutely right: Bernard Stiegler reminds us that the network constitutes a <em>global mnemotechnics</em>, a persistent memory store for planet Earth, and yet weâ€™ve structured our systems of jurisprudence and our life practices and even our psyches around the idea that information about us eventually expires and leaves the world. Its failure to do so in the context of Facebook and Flickr and Twitter is clearly one of the ways in which the elaboration of our digital selves constrains our real-world behavior. Let just one picture of you grabbing a cardboard cutoutâ€™s breast or taking a bong hit leak onto the network, and see how the career options available to you shift in response.</strong></p>
<p><strong>This is whatâ€™s behind Anne Gallowayâ€™s calls for a â€œforgetting machine.â€ An everyware that did that &#8211; that massively spoofed our traces in the world, that threw up enormous clouds of winnow and chaff to give us plausible deniability about our whereabouts and so on &#8211; might give us a fighting chance.</strong><br />
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TS: </strong>The concept of autonomy is signaled clearly in the title you have chosen for your next book, <a id="pxeu" title="The project description for Adam Greenfield's upcoming book, The City Is Here For You To Use" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/new-day-rising/" target="_blank"><em>The City Is Here For You To Use</em>,</a> and is a theme of all your writing!Â  While you talk about many of the possible constraints to presentation of self and potential threats to a flexible identity that ubicomp poses, your next book signals optimism. What are your key grounds for optimism?</p>
<p><strong>AG: Itâ€™s not optimism so much as hope. Whether itâ€™s well-founded or not is not for me to decide. I guess I just trust people to make reasonably good choices, when theyâ€™re both aware of the stakes and have been presented with sound, accurate decision-support material.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Putting a fine point on it: I believe that most people donâ€™t actually want to be dicks. We may have differing conceptions of the good, our choices may impinge on one anotherâ€™s autonomy. But I think most of us, if confronted with the humanity of the Other and offered the ability to do so, would want to find some arrangement that lets everyone find some satisfaction in the world. And in its ability to assist us in signalling our needs and desires, in its potential to mediate the mutual fulfillment of same, in its promise to reduce the fear people face when confronted with the immediate necessity to make a decision on radically imperfect information, a properly-designed networked informatics could underwrite the most transformative expansions of peopleâ€™s ability to determine the circumstances of their own lives.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Now thatâ€™s epochal. If that isnâ€™t cause for hope, then I donâ€™t know what is.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/obamannook1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3076" title="obamannook1" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/obamannook1.jpg" alt="obamannook1" width="375" height="500" /></a></strong></p>
<p><em><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/3246420459/" target="_blank">Newson Obamanook</a> &#8211; photo by Adam Greenfield, &#8220;The fact that it was one of the happiest days of my adult life may have colored my appreciation of this space. A bit, anyway.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>TS:</strong> In your writing you seem to imply that we will not find answers to our new relationship with Everyware by transposing the internet onto things for convenienceâ€™s sake but rather like the bike messengers -Â  we must explore the rich and complex terrain of the city that is ours to use in a give an take relationship.Â  Through our own exertions we find- how â€œanything reasonably smooth and approximately horizontal can become a thoroughfare,â€Â  rather than be served up the city as something for us to consume.</p>
<p>You seem to be suggesting our city becomes ours to use because of the way we use it in our personal journeys -like â€œthe messenger subconsciously maps the contours of an economic geography &#8211; known sources and sinks of courier assignments, or â€œtagsâ€ &#8211; and a threat landscape, this latter comprised of blind corners, cable-car and metro tracks, and traffic lanes.</p>
<p>But bike messengers are the lone ranger of our big cities. Others surf the city in tribes that ride the roiling tides of highly networked information together. How are the â€œnaturalâ€ gestures of these tribes, e.g. day traders, who yoked to the tracings of a hive mind, part of the city that is here for us to use?Â  I thought the comment <a href="http://twitter.com/ginsudo" target="_blank">@ginsudo</a> made shortly after joining Twitter and setting up TweetDeck particularly poignant:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">â€œwatching Tweetdeck is like watching stock market of your personality ebb and flow. needs analytics to maximize inherent self-involvement.â€</span></span></em></p></blockquote>
<p>But, for many of us our work has more in common with the day trader than the bike messenger, and are we pretty hooked on the ever growing possibilities for â€œcontactâ€ and identity sharing/construction, social media has producedÂ  (with all theâ€Here Comes Everybody,â€ C. Shirky, benefits and risks).Â  Early theorizing of a â€œcalm,â€ invisibleâ€ ubicomp seems out of synch with the excitable, active, engaged, contact driven, â€œusersâ€ that are <span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">watching stock market of their personality (or personal brand) ebb and flow.</span></span></p>
<p>How will these excitable/exciting processes of contact and identity sharing that have captured of a pretty large segment of popular imagination (not confined to the West -services like <a id="f9mb" title="Gupshup" href="http://www.smsgupshup.com/">Gupshup</a> does much of the same curating, linking and distributing of identity that web based social media does in SMS) be/ or not be part of <a id="pxeu" title="The project description for Adam Greenfield's upcoming book, The City Is Here For You To Use" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/new-day-rising/" target="_blank"> The City Is Here For You To Use</a>?<strong><br />
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<strong>AG: Letâ€™s remember that ubicomp itself, as a discipline, has largely moved on from the Weiserian discourse of â€œcalm technologyâ€; Yvonne Rogers, for example, now speaks of â€œproactive systems for proactive people.â€ You can look at this as a necessary accommodation with the reality principle, which it is, or as kind of a shame &#8211; which it also happens to be, at least in my opinion. Either way, though, I donâ€™t think anybody can credibly argue any longer that just because informatic systems pervade our lives, designers will be compelled to craft encalming interfaces to them. That notion of Mark Weiserâ€™s was never particularly convincing, and as far as Iâ€™m concerned itâ€™s been thoroughly refuted by the unfolding actuality of post-PC informatics.</strong></p>
<p><strong>All the available evidence, on the contrary, supports the idea that we will have to actively fight for moments of calm and reflection, as individuals and as collectivities. And not only that, as it happens, but for spaces in which weâ€™re able to engage with the Other on neutral turf, as it were, since the logic of â€œsocial mediaâ€ seems to be producing</strong><em><strong> Big Sort</strong></em><strong>-like effects and echo chambers. We already â€œmaximize inherent self-involvement,â€ analytics or no, and the result is that the tools allowing us to become involved with anything but the self, or selves that strongly resemble it, are atrophying.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So when people complain about K-Mart and Starbucks and American Eagle Outfitters coming to Manhattan, and how it means the suburbanization of the city, I have to laugh. Because the real</strong> <strong>suburbanization is the smoothening-out of our social interaction until it only encompasses the congenial. A gated community where everyone looks and acts the same? <em>Thatâ€™s</em> the suburbs, wherever and however it instantiates, and I donâ€™t care how precious and edgy your tastes may be. Richard Sennett argued that what makes urbanity is precisely the quality of necessary, daily, cheek-by-jowl confrontation with a panoply of the different, and as far as I can tell heâ€™s spot on.</strong></p>
<p><strong>We have to devise platforms that accommodate and yet buffer that confrontation. We have to create the safe(r) spaces that allow us to negotiate that difference. The alternative to doing so is creating a world of ten million autistic, utterly atomic and mutually incomprehensible tribelets, each reinforced in the illusion of its own impeccable correctness: duller than dull, except at the flashpoints between. And those become murderous. Nope. Unacceptable outcome.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/uncannyvalleys.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3075" title="uncannyvalleys" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/uncannyvalleys.jpg" alt="uncannyvalleys" width="500" height="369" /></a></strong><br />
<em><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/3119708407/" target="_blank">Uncanny Valleys </a>- Adam comments,&#8221;Our apartment in NYC as rendered in Google Earth, with realtime traffic, weather, daylight and shadow as well as geodetic, street grid and service overlays. Camera view is South; that&#8217;s First Avenue just left of center-screen.&#8221;</em></p>
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TS:</strong> Smart phoneâ€™s are now drawing everyware data into the system and the net is reaching into who YOU are, WHERE you are, WHAT you are doing, WHAT is around you, etc..</p>
<p><a id="u:ys" title="Nathan Freitas" href="http://openideals.com/">Nathan Freitas</a> says Android:<em> </em>â€œseems to be the platform most likely to socialize the idea that sensor data could be a piece of every application.â€ (Android APIs for a wide range of sensor data.)</p>
<p>What in your view will be the most likely platform, Android or what?, to socialize the idea that sensor data could be a piece of every application?</p>
<p><strong>AG: An open platform. A platform with lots of hooks and ways to plug things into it, a strong developer community, a shallow learning curve and/or an easy-to-use, high-level development environment.</strong></p>
<p><strong>I donâ€™t have a dog in this race, mind you. I couldnâ€™t care less who gets there first.</strong></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>New location based services, e.g., <a id="kvue" title="Xtify" href="http://xtify.com/featured">Xtify</a> and <a id="fajp" title="ViaPlace" href="http://www.viaplace.com/">ViaPlace</a>, are offering us ways to share location data across lots of different applications (eg Xtify and a dating application like <a id="yixz" title="MeetMoi" href="http://www.meetmoi.com/welcome">MeetMoi</a> ). In return for services that allow us to share information, we must give up key information up to one site to store and disperse (although there are many differences in approach to our data, from the Twitter stance â€œshow but donâ€™t ownâ€ as opposed to Facebookâ€™s stance &#8211; â€œin order to show we must have rights to itâ€). But the basic model of Twitter &#8211; to provide a white noise platform for people to build service on top off seems to be being transposed to location based services. Obvious questions arise like what happens to our data in a start up like MeetMoi if they go belly up?Â  Apparently in the dot.com bust data was the first thing to go on the auction block in bankrupcy cases.</p>
<p>Also, I suppose it is hardly surprising (if disappointing to me) that some of the early location based services are trying to get mindshare by picking up on the glue celebrities give to mass culture. At the last New York Tech Meetup, <a href="http://m.twitter.com/omgicu" target="_blank">OMGICU</a> demoed a rather terrifying new pre-launch location based â€œparticipatory celebrity gossip applicationâ€ which seems to combine all the worst features of social media with celebrity stalking, plus a narrative to change the notion of celebrity itself by â€œturning D listers into A listers.â€</p>
<p>Hopefully location based applicationsÂ  will not get stuck on â€œstalker, stalker, stalkerâ€ apps like OMGICU .</p>
<p>David Oliver, <a id="qgz3" title="Oliver Coady" href="http://olivercoady.com/">Oliver Coady</a> gave me a good question: &#8220;How does timeliness and location-independence change our ideas of social media?</p>
<p>And how can we design new architectures that can reinforce the sense that I am in control of my own fate?</p>
<p><strong>AG: But weâ€™ve already come so far in terms of turning D-listers into A-listers! On a daily basis, Iâ€™m exposed to almost as many cues insisting I attend to nonentities and dullards like Robert Scoble as those insisting I attend to nonentities like Madonna or Thomas Friedman.</strong><strong> Itâ€™s gotten ridiculous.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Now, how does timeliness and location change our ideas of social media? It makes them dangerous!</strong></p>
<p><strong>Look, even a proud Z-lister like myself &#8211; Iâ€™m a public person only in the most debased and degraded meaning of that word &#8211; Iâ€™ve had experiences that shook me up, like having someone approach me while I was quietly hanging out in the back of St. Markâ€™s Books, and wanting to strike up a conversation based on some talk theyâ€™d seen me give a year or so previously. Now part of learning to deal with this kind of thing is shrugging it off, being grateful and flattered that someone thinks youâ€™re interesting enough to single out for that kind of attention, or chalking this up to Sennettâ€™s observation about the constitution of urbanity. Or doing all three at once.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But letâ€™s remember that at the end of the day, a â€œsocial networkâ€ is nothing but a group of arbitrarily distributed human beings joined by a communications channel, and those people have eyes and ears. The degree to which they recognize some shared interest gives them significance filters. If social capital accrues to those in the network who are able to claim some connection with a â€œcelebrity,â€ no matter how fleeting, then such connections are going to be mobilized, made explicit. And now say the network has been provided with the tools allowing it to plot the appearances of those putative celebrities in space and time, and what do you get? You get a circumstance in which it is very, very difficult to maintain any membrane between the private self and the world, for anyone whoâ€™s even remotely a public figure, whether they particularly want to be a public figure or not. You get network effects that amplify those locational traces, and further undermine any possibility of anonymity, even anonymity-by-suspension-of-interrogative-awareness (which is a clumsy way of referring to that blasÃ© matter-of-factness around famous people that most big-city folks eventually develop).</strong></p>
<p><strong>Am I letting myself off the hook? Not in the slightest. I passed Terence Stamp on the street not so long ago, and you bet I Twittered it. My only excuse was that I Twittered it to a closed loop of no more than a few dozen people. But then, who knows what those few dozen people will turn around and do with that fact, on the open networks to which they in turn belong?</strong><strong> And that, too, is my responsibility.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Iâ€™m not sure thereâ€™s anything to be done about any of this but cultivate our own urbanity, learn to say â€œso whatâ€ when we happen to find ourselves next to Philip Seymour Hoffman in the line at Whole Foods.</strong><strong><br />
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<p><strong>TS: </strong>Zittrain in <a href="http://futureoftheinternet.org/" target="_blank">The Future of the Internet: And How To Stop It</a>, foregrounds â€œgenerativityâ€ and a generative devices (as opposed to appliances) as the most fortuitous starting point for: â€œtools to bring about social systems to match the power of the technical one.â€</p>
<p>Are appliances a threat to the city that is here for you to use? How can generativity ensure <em><a id="pxeu" title="The project description for Adam Greenfield's upcoming book, The City Is Here For You To Use" href="http://speedbird.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/new-day-rising/" target="_blank">The City Is Here For You To Use</a></em> as Zittrain argues it has ensured, even if imperfectly, that the internet has been here for us to use?<strong><br />
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<strong>AG: You know, I havenâ€™t read the book, Iâ€™ve only heard him give the talk, so itâ€™s certainly possible thereâ€™s a subtlety to the argument that Iâ€™m missing. But Iâ€™m not sure Jonathan isnâ€™t simply wrong about this notion of generativity. Not that the concern is misplaced, but that heâ€™s insufficiently trustful in human agency. Is a car â€œgenerative,â€ by his definition? Certainly not. And yet look at all the cultural production that goes on around â€œthe car,â€ look at all the assemblages people make with cars, from Beach Boys songs to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost-riding">ghost riding the whip</a>, from J.G. Ballard novels and <em>Herbie the Love Bug</em> to <em>Tokyo Drift.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>Or probably more to his point: look at the Japanese mobile-phone market &#8211; seemingly one of the most locked-down and unpropitious circumstances imaginable for the production of culture, in technical terms and Zittrainâ€™s both. And yet fully 50% of the bestselling books in Japan last year were written on mobile phones. Not <em>read</em>, which would already be impressive enough (if â€œimpressiveâ€ is indeed the word): </strong><em><strong><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/world/asia/20japan.html">written</a>. </strong></em><strong>What does that imply for his argument?</strong></p>
<p><strong>So, yes, I think there are grounds for concern in that we don&#8217;t allow technologies and frameworks to appear that unduly limit the scope of human creativity</strong><strong>. Code is still law. But I also think people are quite amply able to reach into what would appear to be the least propitious technologies and tell their own stories with same.<br />
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TS: </strong> One aspect of Everyware that seems in need of some visionary yoga is the how we will relate to pixels anywhere.</p>
<p>In <em><a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/1554599">Urban Computing and its Discontents</a></em> you mention how our technological trajectories often make it seem as if we seem to get fixated on particular scenes in movies, e.g., <em>Minority Report</em>. You point out that so many ambient informatics projects seem simply â€œto expand the reach of signage and advertising in dense urban spacesâ€¦.as if weâ€™ve become transfixed by the scene from <em>Minority Report</em> where heterosexual cop John Anderton is on the run from his colleagues.â€</p>
<p>Ideas from the <em>Minority Report</em> continue to hold sway in designs as we saw in the recent MIT demo of <a href="http://ambient.media.mit.edu/projects.php?action=details&amp;id=68" target="_blank">SixthSense</a> at TED.</p>
<p>But visions of augmented reality were pretty high profile in this years Super Bowl commercials this year (including a highly anthropomorphic imagining of ubicomp that was a kind of WoW mashup with a Pixar movie).</p>
<p>What recent movies/commercials have produced scenes mostly likely to be are new fixation fodder for ubicomp and why?</p>
<p><strong>AG: I donâ€™t think Iâ€™m qualified to answer that, actually. We donâ€™t have a TV, so I donâ€™t see much in the way of commercials, and most of the films I wind up seeing are the kind that play at Anthology Film Archives. What I can say is that science fiction is currently suffering in toto from an inability or disinclination to posit future scenarios that are any weirder or more visionary than those emerging from other sectors of the culture. And that would be fine, except sf has traditionally been the place where we wrestled with the imaginary.</strong></p>
<p><strong>We need that set of tools, badly. If for no other reason than something I glean from personal experience: essentially my entire professional career has simply been the leveraging of ideas and concepts I originally wrestled with in the encounter with William Gibson and Bruce Sterling when I was 16. Today&#8217;s visionary sf means tomorrow&#8217;s halfway-competent generalist.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nurrikim.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3030" title="nurrikim" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nurrikim.jpg" alt="nurrikim" width="375" height="500" /> </a></strong><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/531862201/" target="_blank"></a></p>
<p><em><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/531862201/" target="_blank">Nurri Kim in the waiting zone</a> &#8211; photo by Adam Greenfield</em></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>My AR friend, <a href="http://curiousraven.squarespace.com/about-me/">Robert Rice</a>, who is <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2009/01/17/is-it-%E2%80%9Comg-finally%E2%80%9D-for-augmented-reality-interview-with-robert-rice/" target="_blank">working on a markerless AR platform,</a> notes that data visualization is one of the critical elements of AR in terms of â€œmake or break.â€ Robert says, â€œeven with the ultimate in ubiquitious data from everything, without good data vis it will all be uselessâ€</p>
<p>Also something Cory Doctorow said to me last year has really stuck in my mind. When I asked him what happens when Cyberspace everts, he talked about a reverse surveillance society:</p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>â€œSurveillance is all about when people in authority know a lot about you. Instrumentation is when you know a lot about the world,â€</em></div>
<blockquote><p>C<em>ory: Well this is like Spook Country the new Gibson novel â€“ What happens when cyber space everts â€“ hmmm? Iâ€™m not sure I have anything very pithy to say on that EXCEPTâ€¦â€¦â€¦ </em><br />
<em> Apart from all the traditional kind of overlay reality stuff, if there is one thing I am actually interested seeing from a virtual world migrating to the real world its instrumentation. </em><br />
<em> I think lot of things that are characteristic of very successful internet based business is that they are extremely finally instrumented so like Amazon knows in aggregate on a second by second basis how their site is being used by people and they can twiddle the dials in real time. </em></p>
<p><em> As users of the world we have very little access to that kind of instrumentation. We donâ€™t even know how the tube is running. The tube knows how the tube is running and we kinda of donâ€™t. I would be really interested in seeing that. Youâ€™ve seen <a href="http://joi.ito.com/">Joi Itoâ€™s</a> WoW interface right. Have you seen it â€¦ </em></p></blockquote>
<p>Joi Itoâ€™s WoW interface seems a long way from the calm, invisible imaginings for ubicomp by early ubicomp visionaries?</p>
<p><strong>AG: Well, heâ€™s got a particular kind of neural wiring. And thereâ€™s not a thing thatâ€™s wrong with that, except that Iâ€™d never, ever want to assert that whatâ€™s appropriate for Joi Ito necessarily is or should be understood to be appropriate for anybody else. The point of calling for open systems and frameworks is to allow us maximum scope of diversity in the ways we choose to interface with the worldâ€™s richness and complexity.</strong><em><strong><br />
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TS: </strong>What new imaginings/possibilites do you see when pixels anywhere are linked to everyware?<strong><br />
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<strong>AG: Product placement. Commercial insertions and injections, mostly.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Beyond that: one of the places where Mark Weiser logic breaks down is in thinking that the platforms we use now disappear from the world just because ubiquitous computingâ€™s arrived. Weâ€™ve still got radio, for example &#8211; OK, now itâ€™s satellite radio and streaming Internet feeds, but the interaction metaphor isnâ€™t any different. By the same token, weâ€™re still going to be using reasonably conventional-looking laptops and desktop keyboard/display combos for awhile yet. The form factor is pretty well optimized for the delivery of a certain class of services, itâ€™s a convenient and well-assimilated interaction vocabulary, none of thatâ€™s going away just yet. And the same goes for billboards and â€œTVâ€ screens.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But all of those things become entirely different propositions in everyware world: more open, more modular, ever more conceived of as network resources with particular input and output affordances. We already see some signs of this with Microsoftâ€™s recent â€œSocial Desktopâ€ prototype &#8211; which, mind you, is a very bad idea as it currently stands, especially as implemented on something with the kind of security record that Windows enjoys &#8211; and weâ€™ll be seeing many more.</strong></p>
<p><strong>If every display in the world has an IP address and a self-descriptor indicating what kind of protocols itâ€™s capable of handling, then you begin to get into some really interesting and thorny territory. The first things to go away, off the top of my head, are screens for a certain class of mobile device &#8211; why power a screen off your battery when you can push the data to a nearby display thatâ€™s much bigger, much brighter, much more social? &#8211; and conventional projectors.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Then we get into some very interesting issues around large, public interactive displays &#8211; who &#8220;drives&#8221; the display, and so forth. But here again, we&#8217;ll have to fight to keep these things sane. It&#8217;s past time for a public debate around these issues, because they&#8217;re unquestionably going to condition the everyday experience of walking down the street in most of our cities. And that&#8217;s difficult to do when times are hard and people have more pressing concerns on their mind.</strong></p>
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<p><em><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/2786991056/" target="_blank">Citywarecrash</a> &#8211; photo by Adam Greenfield, &#8220;An occupational hazard for urban screens.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>I know in <em>Everyware</em> you mentioned that architects have play an important visionary role in imagining ubicomp and I know you work closely with your wife, artist <a href="http://www.nurri.com/">Nurri Kim</a>.Â  Robert Rice asked me the following question &#8211; which I will in turn ask you: &#8220;In terms of augmented reality do you think virtual worlds and virtual reality experts / leaders / are good pioneers for thought and guidance on AR? Or, should we look for new leaders, or where are new leaders emerging? Is the tech similar enough for the old crowd to be useful or is it different enough to be a disadvantage coming from the old models?.<strong>&#8221;<br />
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<strong>AG: I should make it clear that I have absolutely no interest in virtual worlds or virtual reality. The so-called virtual worlds Iâ€™ve experienced seem sad and really rather tatty &#8211; eversions of the most predictable adolescent fantasies of unlimited power, reinscriptions of all the usual politics &#8211; and completely lacking in just about everything that makes life resonant, meaningful and awe-inspiring. And anyway, to paraphrase J.G. Ballard, ordinary, everyday life is now far more vividly and fantastically weird than anything youâ€™ll see in Second Life. I mean, Garry Kasparov was heckled by a radio-control dildocopter, Joe the Plumberâ€™s off to Gaza as a war correspondent, a sea of dust-covered BMWs waits in the long-term parking lot at Dubai International for owners who are never, ever coming back.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Look to virtual worlds for insight into the hard work of negotiating the actual, with its physics, its entropy, its suffering, with all its constraints? Oh my goodness gracious, no.<br />
And look to leaders? Never.</strong><strong> Leaders are for followers, and who wants to be that? I donâ€™t mean you canâ€™t take inspiration and insight from the work of others &#8211; not at all &#8211; but use your own imagination, take some personal risk, do your own damn work.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Now, having said that. This opposition of virtual and physical worlds strikes me as increasingly a false one, as it does many people. The hard-and-fast distinction between â€œthe real worldâ€ and virtual environments make less and less sense, as righteously satisfying as making it can sometimes seem. There may be attributes of this physical environment that are impossible to see or make use of without access to the networked overlay, and those attributes may in time come to constitute the primary wellsprings of a given placeâ€™s meaning. And if youâ€™re offering me some insight that I think could be of utility in resolving the challenge of making this overlay accessible to all, equally, Iâ€™ll gladly accept it, no matter what domain or disciplinary background you claim</strong><strong> as your own. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Am I aware of any such insight coming out of virtual worlds? No. As Bryan Boyer notes, â€œIf you want to start talking about some serious cross-disciplinary pollination then you better take both sides of that disciplinary divide seriously. When your </strong><em><strong>ubi- </strong></em><strong>runs into my building with its boring HVAC, mundane load paths, typical finished floors, plain old foundations, etc., the transformative powers of </strong><em><strong>comp </strong></em><strong>are bracketed pretty seriously by the realities of the physical world.â€</strong></p>
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<a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/1904838102/" target="_blank"><em>The Cloud Gate has landed</em></a><em> &#8211; photo by Adam Greenfield, &#8220;Tell me this doesn&#8217;t look *just* like the descriptions of &#8220;stasis fields&#8221; in 70s SF. In fact, the picture looks practically CGId to me.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>TS:</strong> Some people thought the whole world would have been plastered with RFID by now.Â  But before that has happened markerless AR seems to be in our sights.</p>
<p>If I understand it correctly marker versus markerless AR has quite different implications for how the cyberspace of ubicomp evolves?Â  I asked Robert Rice (he is developing a markerless AR platform) to explain some of the differences.Â  He said:</p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>markers are discreet physical objects at worst, they are passive images that are linked to some sort of static data in a database somewhere (like a 3D object). If you destroy them, thats it. With markerless stuff, everything is persistent, dynamic, already linked in cyberspace. Marker based stuff requires a secondary infrastructure of hardware for telecommunications</em></div>
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</em>Robert also pointed out to me that markerless AR may prove even more problematic for privacy:</p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>Markers are easy to see, so you know where they are. RFIDs cant really be seen, but they can be detected. With markerless AR, there is nothing obvious to the naked eye you dont know if someone has active AR going on or not, so you could be tracked and not know it. Not much more than today with CCTVs all over the place so, it is the same [a surveillance issue] as marker based, but more subtle or inobvious.</em></div>
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<p>Do you have any thoughts about the different roles that markerless versus marker techinologies will play in AR and Ubicomp?</p>
<p><strong>AG: I need to admit that Iâ€™ve never until this moment heard the phrase â€œmarkerless AR,â€ although Iâ€™d think itâ€™s more or less self-explanatory to anyone whoâ€™s been following this stuff. Let me make the distinction explicit, shall I, for anyone who hasnâ€™t been? And you or Robert can correct me if Iâ€™ve gotten it wrong.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Augmented reality means that I have some mediating artifact that provides me with a visual overlay on the world</strong><strong>. This could be a phone, it could be a windshield, it could be a pair of glasses or contact lenses, doesnâ€™t matter. And youâ€™re going to use that overlay to superimpose some order of information about the world and the objects in it onto the things that enter my field of vision &#8211; onto what I see. So far, so good: thatâ€™s AR 101.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Now where does that information come from?</strong></p>
<p><strong>What youâ€™re calling marker-based AR implies that thereâ€™s some reasonably strong relationship between the information superimposed over a given object, and the object itself. That object is an onto, a spime, itâ€™s been provided with a passive RFID tag or an active transmitter. And itâ€™s radiating information about itself that Iâ€™m grabbing, perhaps cross-referencing against other sources of information, and superimposing over the field of vision. Fine and dandy.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But thereâ€™s another way of achieving the same end, right? Instead of looking at a suit jacket on a rack and having its onboard tag tell you directly that itâ€™s a Helmut Lang, style number such-and-such from menâ€™s Spring/Summer collection 2011, Size 42 Regular in Color Gunmetal, produced at Joint Venture Factory #4 in Cholon City, Vietnam, and packed for shipment on September 3, 2010, youâ€™re going to run some kind of pattern-matching query on it. And without the necessity of that object being tagged physically in any way, youâ€™re going to have access to information about it. But this set of information isnâ€™t, necessarily, what the object itself, or its creators or merchandisers, want you to know about it; it could be derived from online discussion fora or review sites, or blog posts, or whatever. All there needs to be is a lookup table, essentially, that tells you where to find information about any object in the field of vision whose identity can be established.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Do I have that right? And if I do, then as I understand it, the distinction is primarily a pragmatic one: itâ€™s just easier to get to an augmented world, by far, if we donâ€™t actually have to go to all the trouble of tagging everything in the world with its own dedicated RF transponder. Easier, and cheaper, and quicker, and more environmentally sound besides, because the relevant traffic is in bits not atoms.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Unless Iâ€™ve missed something, you donâ€™t, then, get the distinction between classes of objects and instances of same. Sometimes, when thereâ€™s a 1:1 correlation between the two, thatâ€™s not going to matter: Iâ€™m walking down the street in Madrid, and my glasses or whatever can easily recognize that this building is the Caixa Forum. Thereâ€™s only one of it, and I can get a positive ID via pattern recognition. But for some edge cases &#8211; twins and lookalikes, mostly &#8211; the same thing is generally true of people.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But other times it will matter. Is <em>this specific watch</em> a real, $10,000 Panerai or a $50 Kowloon fakery? How has <em>this</em> black 1998 Honda Civic over here differ from this other one in terms of its use and maintenance history? Does <em>this</em> O-ring gasket need to be replaced? I donâ€™t see how you extract data from specific instances of things without the necessary sensor instrumentation, transmitter, etc., being coextensive with the object in question or very closely colocated with it over time &#8211; in the terminology youâ€™re using, a â€œmarker.â€</strong></p>
<p><strong>So using these terms, Iâ€™d say that â€œmarkerlessâ€ AR comes first, is relatively easy to deploy, and generates not-insignificant value. But &#8211; again, unless Iâ€™m missing something &#8211; there are some things that it wonâ€™t ever be able to do, and for those things you need some provision for self-identification and self-location.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Ultimately I think it&#8217;s a distinction without a difference, from the user&#8217;s point of view. People will care much more about the source of whatever information shows up on their overlay than the precise technical means used to get it there.</strong></p>
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<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/3274544108/" target="_blank"><em>The surrender to cynicism</em></a><em> &#8211; photo by Adam Greenfield</em></p>
<p><strong>TS:</strong> Much early thinking around ubicomp seems to have come from visionary architects and engineers but recently I was at the <a href="http://www.toccon.com/toc2009" target="_blank">O&#8217;Reilly Tools of Change for Publishing Conference</a> (publishing in the Digital Age) and I met several book futurists.Â  It struck me how ubicomp from the perspective of the book created some interesting questions for how particular material cultures will shape and be shaped by Ubicomp differently.</p>
<p><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">I noted, Google seemed well down the path to holy grail â€œconverting images to original intent XML.â€</span></span> And <a id="ricl" title="Peter Brantley" href="http://radar.oreilly.com/peter/">Peter Brantley</a> talked about machine parsed <span class="nfakPe">books</span>.</p>
<p>At TOC there were many suggestions about how b<span class="nfakPe">ooks</span> might manifest as everyware. (Although it did not seem that many people felt books had a special relationship to time and history and would not vanish as one of the great metaphors of calm and solitary enjoyment in our culture soon).Â  Books as everyware will, it seems, include, amongst other things:</p>
<p><span class="nfakPe">books</span> that read <span class="nfakPe">books</span></p>
<p><span class="nfakPe">books</span> that read context</p>
<p>context that reads <span class="nfakPe">books</span></p>
<p><span class="nfakPe">books</span> that read me</p>
<p><span class="nfakPe">books</span> linked to mobility &#8211; timeliness and location independence</p>
<p><span class="nfakPe">books</span> that are not <span class="nfakPe">books</span></p>
<p><span class="nfakPe">books</span> becoming babble</p>
<p><span class="nfakPe">books</span> bubbling up from the babble</p>
<p>There is an Institute of the Future of the Book. Will all former material cultures require their own institutes of the future to guide their cultures into everyware?Â  Do you think books transition into everyware is especially significant and why?</p>
<p><strong>AG: But all objects have a relationship to time and history, no?</strong></p>
<p><strong>TS: </strong>Yes! What I meant to convey really was the idea that many people expressed at TOC that books had a privileged relationship to knowledge in our culture that was valuable and related to some aspects of their current form, and that books as everyware, e.g. machine parsed books, and more sociallly generated forms would not replace that entirely.<br />
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</strong></em><strong>AG: Gotcha. Well, I certainly agree that books constitute an interesting category unto themselves &#8211; Iâ€™ve held onto my physical books, and in fact still spend a fortune buying new ones, where I stopped buying music on discs a long, long time ago. But I donâ€™t think this state of affairs can or should obtain forever.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Lately thereâ€™s been a good amount of thought around the notion of </strong><strong>&#8220;<a href="http://theunbook.com/about/">unbooks</a>,&#8221; which I regard as</strong><strong> a container for long-form ideas appropriate to an internetworked age. By building on some of the tropes of software development, mostly having to do with version control, open-endedness and an explicit role for the â€œuserâ€ community, unbooks can usefully harness the dynamic and responsive nature of discourse on the Web. At the same time, you preserve the things books are really good at: coherence, authorial voice and intent.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The important part is in acknowledging two points which have usually been understood as contradictory, but which are actually nothing of the sort: firstly, that the expression of ideas in written form has something to learn from the practices that have evolved around the collaborative creation of dynamic, digital documents over the half-century-long history of software; and secondly, that certain ideas require elaboration in the reasonably strongly-bounded form we know as a â€œbook,â€ and cannot meaningfully be shared otherwise. A third point, concomitant to the second, is that despite recent technical advances, screen-based media still cannot, and may not ever fully be able to, deliver the extratextual cues and phenomenological traces that support, inform and extend the meaning of written documents.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The unbook lets you have your cake and eat it too. So, for example, when we publish <em>The City Is Here</em>, one of its manifestations will be a static, physical document &#8211; and hopefully, if we do our jobs well, a very nice one indeed. But even before that, youâ€™ll be able to download a Creative Commons-licensed PDF of every numbered version of the manuscript, from zero onward. Bottom line: you buy the book if, and only if, you want the object. The ideas are free.</strong><br />
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TS: </strong><em><a id="ed35" title="David Brin" href="http://www.davidbrin.com/tschp1.html"> David Brin</a> sees two futures:1) the government watches everybody, and 2) everybody watches everybody (the latter he calls &#8220;sousveillance&#8221;).Â  My friend <a id="suag" title="Ben Goertzel" href="http://www.goertzel.org/">Ben Goertzel</a> says â€œhooking AI up to a massive datastore fed by ubicomp is the first step toward sousveillance?â€ What do you think the role of AI in ubicomp will be?Â  Is it worth thinking about what is the first important â€œAI meets ARâ€ app is?</em></p>
<p><strong>AG: I donâ€™t believe that artificial intelligence as the term is generally understood &#8211; which is to say, a self-aware, general-purpose intelligence of human capacity or greater &#8211; is likely to appear within my lifetime, or for a comfortably long time thereafter.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Having said that, your friend Ben seems to be making the titanic (and enormously difficult to justify) assumption that a self-aware artificial intelligence would share any perspectives, goals, priorities or values whatsoever with the human species, let alone with that fraction of the human species that could use a little help in countering watchfulness from above. â€œHooking [an] AI up to a massive datastore fed by ubicompâ€ sounds to me more like the first step toward enslavementâ€¦if not outright digestion.</strong></p>
<p><em><strong>Sousveillance </strong></em><strong>- the term is Steve Mannâ€™s, originally &#8211; doesnâ€™t imply â€œeverybody watching everybodyâ€ to me, anyway, so much as a consciously political act of turning infrastructures of observation and control back on those specific institutions most used to employing same toward their own prerogatives. Think Rodney King, think Oscar Grant.</strong><em><strong><a href="http://www.davidbrin.com/tschp1.html"><br />
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<strong>TS: </strong>I have one last question from Usman Haque.</p>
<p><strong>Usman Haque:</strong> insofar as a lot of what adam describes as desirable could be said to constitute pretty radical socio-political change (or perhapsâ€¦ â€œadjustmentâ€) i would be really interested to know how his current work @ nokia is or isnâ€™t able to gel with the themes of his writing. in some senses thereâ€™s quite an undercurrent strongly challenging corporate practices, in other senses it could be seen as gentle nudges. how does adam see it? and how about the nokia behemoth? does he have success nudging nokia towards the kind of world he would like to see (i imagine the answer is â€˜yesâ€™ otherwise he wouldnâ€™t be doing itâ€¦) but iâ€™d love to know more about the limits/challenges.</p>
<p><strong>AG: I am told that Henry Kissinger, on his first trip to China in 1971, asked Zhou Enlai whether he thought the French Revolution had or had not advanced the cause of human freedom.<br />
Zhou thought for a moment, pursed his lips, and replied, â€œIt is too soon to tell.â€</strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a conversation with Tim Oâ€™Reilly and John Battelle (Federated Media Publishing) at Web 2.0 Summit 2008, Al Gore suggested that only the aggregate bandwidth of the internet could supply us with the kind of emotional intelligence we need to respond with appropriate urgency to the challenges of our times, for example, the CO2 targets [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><a id="tnsr" title="In a conversation" href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1461701/" target="_blank">In a conversation</a> with Tim Oâ€™Reilly and <a href="http://battellemedia.com/" target="_blank">John Battelle</a> (Federated Media Publishing) at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/content/home">Web 2.0 Summit 2008</a>, Al Gore suggested that only the aggregate bandwidth of the internet could supply us with the kind of emotional intelligence we need to respond with appropriate urgency to the challenges of our times, for example, the CO2 targets necessary to avert catastrophe.</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;People hear these things, and there are many other similar signals, and then the next day it&#8217;s gone. Now the neuroscientists have explanations for why that is &#8230;.. The urgency center of the brain is geared to snakes, spiders and fire and things that evolution posed as tests to our species&#8230; </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>But when we have to use our neo cortex to connect dots in an abstract pattern and then push that down to the urgency and fear center &#8211; that&#8217;s just a little footpath. </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>ItsÂ  like the internet, mostly, it&#8217;s an asynchronous connection.Â  There is a big connection going from the fear center to the reasoning process but just a very small pathway coming back. </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>It needs to be stored in the cloud. It is the aggregate bandwidth than counts. We need to have the truth &#8211; the inconvenient truth, forgive me, of this challenge stored in the cloud so that people don&#8217;t have to rely on that process and so that we can respond to it collectively.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p>Tim O&#8217;Reilly responded: &#8220;<em><strong>Who knew you were the guru of Web 2.0 as well as global warming. You have totally outlined our premise here.&#8221;</strong></em></p>
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<p>(Photograph opening this post of the Former Vice President Al Gore on stage with Tim O&#8217;Reilly and John Battelle atÂ  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/content/home">Web 2.0 Summit 2008</a>, co-presented by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://conferences.oreillynet.com/">O&#8217;Reilly Media</a> and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.techweb.com//">TechWeb</a>. Produced by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.2goodcompany.com/">Good Company Communications</a>. Photograph copyright <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:james@duncandavidson.com">James Duncan Davidson</a> &#8211; see <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/x180/sets/72157608663699979/?page=4" target="_blank">Duncan Davidson&#8217;s Flickr stream</a> for a complete photo essay of the event.)</p>
<p>I was trying to find a word to express how powerfullyÂ  Al Gore addressed the Summit audience.Â  And I was discussing this with a legendary serial entrepreneur, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/richard_titus/" target="_blank">Richard Titus</a>, who is also a great admirer of Al Gore, at the closing party. Richard came up with the phrase I was seeking.Â  â€œHe was totally naked,â€ Richard said.</p>
<p>Al Gore described himself as a recovering politician.Â  And yes, he seems totally recovered from the â€œwoodenessâ€ of politics and utterly at home with the â€œnakednessâ€ of participatory culture.</p>
<p><strong>Al Gore made clear that to change the world we have to change ourselves (he did).</strong><strong></strong></p>
<p>Bertrand Russell is often attributed with the following quote:</p>
<p><strong><em>The mark of a civilized human being is the ability to read a column of numbers and then weep.</em></strong></p>
<p>Gore&#8217;s exhortation that the internet needs to be a puppy with a purpose resonated with his audience.Â  From climate change, global issues of health care, to rethinking global economies we desperately need to optimize our collective and individual intelligence.</p>
<h3>Instrumenting the World: Life on the Cloud</h3>
<p>Kevin Kellyâ€™sÂ  <a href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/schedule/proceedings" target="_blank">High Order Bit &#8211; a brilliant impressionist view of the internetâ€™s next 6537 days</a> describes what â€œLife on the cloudâ€ will be like.</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œI</strong></em><em><strong>f you are producing some information and it is not webized, i.e., it is online and not related and shared to everything else, it doesnâ€™t count.â€ </strong></em></p>
<p>This is already the case to some degree. And the challenge of understanding where our networked identities begin and end is with us. But Kevin Kelly points out, â€œlife on the cloudâ€ will heighten our dilemmas.</p>
<p><a id="w-nw" title="Nat Torkington's presentation to the Privacy Forum in Auckland" href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/11/web-meets-world-privacy-and-th.html" target="_blank">Nat Torkington&#8217;s presentation</a> to the Privacy Forum in Auckland , New Zealand, &#8220;Web Meets World: Privacy and the Future of the Cloud&#8221; looks at our changing idea of identity through the lens of privacy &#8211; both â€œthe nature of privacyâ€ and â€œhow expectations change over time.â€Â  Nat cites William Gibson <em> </em>(interviewed by Rolling Stone on their 40th Anniversary):</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œO</strong></em><strong><em>ne of the things our grandchildren will find quaintest about us is that we distinguish the digital from the real, the virtual from the real.Â  In the future that will likely become impossible.â€</em></strong></p>
<p>The critical layer between this database of things and the ultra, mega cloud (see Kevin Kellyâ€™s slide below) is the web of shared intelligence. This is where the transformation will emerge with its dangers and opportunities.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/kevinkelly.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2271" title="kevinkelly" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/kevinkelly.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="372" /></a></p>
<p>Brian Solis, in his excellent post, <a href="http://www.briansolis.com/2008/11/barack-obama-social-web-and-future-of.html#links" target="_blank">â€œBarack Obama, The Social Web, and the Future of User Generated Government,â€</a> proposes <a href="http://www.zappos.com/" target="_blank">Zappos</a> and their â€œpublic and transparent customer-focused cultureâ€ is a good model for how government can use the internet not only to push out its message but to create a whole new culture of participation.</p>
<p>Far fetched?Â <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1439719/" target="_blank"> Watch Tony Hsiehâ€™s High Order Bit for yourself.</a> The idea that every interaction at Zappos has relevance to the value exchange between consumers and producers is a very interesting idea to apply to the relationship between government and citizens.</p>
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<h3><em><strong>&#8220;Ecological Intelligence&#8221;</strong></em></h3>
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<p>Instrumenting the World requires new models of data sharing. Last year, <a href="../../2007/10/31/cory-doctorow-a-reverse-surveillance-society/" target="_blank">Cory Doctorow described to me</a> an instrumentation model of data.</p>
<p>An Instrumentation model for data differs from a surveillance model of data sharing.Â  Instrumentation is <em><strong>&#8220;when you know a lot about the world,</strong></em>&#8221; in contrast to surveillance &#8211; <em><strong>&#8220;when people in authority know a lot about you&#8221;.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>(Note: </strong></em>Mashable has an interesting post on the theme of a &#8220;instrumentation,&#8221; see:Â  <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/11/13/government-mashups/" target="_blank">Seventeen Killers Apps for Taking Control of Your Government</a>:<em><strong>&#8220;Government is increasingly putting much of its public records online, <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/10/14/crowdsourced-beltway-pandits/" target="_blank">creating opportunities</a> for developers to build useful applications for citizens.&#8221;)</strong></em></p>
<p>But corporate culture and governments around the world have embraced the surveillance model of data up to now.Â  I was fortunate to have the opportunity to ask Larry Brilliant, <a title="Google.org" href="http://www.google.org/" target="_blank">Google.org</a>, a question about how the tables might get turned.Â  After <a title="his conversation with Tim O'Reilly" href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1449189/" target="_blank">his conversation with Tim O&#8217;Reilly</a>,Â  I asked:</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;What would motivate corporations and governments to participate in the kind of data sharing and transparency that could produce the changes that our world needs, particularly in the area of health and climate change? For example, why would corporations reveal the aspects of products we use and the food we eat that have negative effects on our health and our planet?&#8221;</strong></em> (This is more succinctly phrased than my original question!)</p>
<p>Larry Brilliant replied:</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know how many of you know Dan Goleman? He created emotional intelligence [quotient] &#8211; EQ. He is coming out with a book which I have just had the pleasure of reading in draft form which deals specifically with what you are talking about.<br />
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<p><em><strong>How we can have commercial intelligence. How we use the power of corporations and their various different stakeholders, including their customers to drive corporations to do the morally right thing </strong><strong>by losing the commercial support of customers who won&#8217;t support them unless they are more green, fairer to women, respect gay and lesbian rights, do the things you would like them to do whatever that happens to be, so that you can vote with your dollars. </strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong> It is really a fascinating book:Â  &#8220;The Application of Ecological Intelligence to the Commercial World.&#8221;Â  I don&#8217;t know what the final title will wind up being but I recommend it to you.</strong></em></p>
<p>Dan Goleman&#8217;s new book: <a title="&quot;Ecological Intelligence: How Knowing the Hidden Impacts of What We Buy Can Change Everything,&quot;" href="http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780385527828" target="_blank">&#8220;Ecological Intelligence: How Knowing the Hidden Impacts of What We Buy Can Change Everything,&#8221;</a> will come out in April, 2009.</p>
<h3>An Extraordinary Gathering At An Historic Time</h3>
<p>Web 2.0 Summit was a brilliantly orchestrated gathering of many of the thought/business leaders and entrepreneurs who have shaped the internet as we know it today.</p>
<p>As my friend <a href="http://www.jehochman.com/">Jonathan Hochman, </a>Wikipedia, said on Day 1:</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œIf everyone here [Web 2.0 Summit] shut down their website it would be the end of the internet!.â€</strong></em> (See my upcoming interview with Jonathan on Wikipedia and <a href="http://archsl.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Jon Brouchard</a> on Wikitecture and what these projects can teach us about participatory culture).</p>
<p>But also in this elite crowd of â€œCâ€ level execs were the next generation of entrepreneurs who are working on a hunch and prayer to create the future Web.</p>
<p>And this year, as the Web 2.0 Summit architects explained in their intro, the decision was made to extend the scope of the Summit even further:</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œâ€¦.our world is fraught with problems that engineers might charitably classify as NP hardâ€”from roiling financial markets to global warming, failing healthcare systems to intractable religious wars. In short, it seems as if many of our most complex systems are reaching their limits.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>It strikes us that the Web might teach us new ways to address these limits. From harnessing collective intelligence to a bias toward open systems, the Webâ€™s greatest inventions are, at their core, social movements. To that end, weâ€™re expanding our program this year to include leaders in the fields of healthcare, genetics, finance, global business, and yes, even politics.â€</strong></em></p>
<p>Truly an extraordinary gathering at an historic time &#8211; commencing the day after Barak Obama became President Elect, it seemed the causes and conditions for participatory culture and sustainable living were coming together at last!<em><strong><br />
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<h3>Virtual Worlds and &#8220;The Web Beyond The Web:&#8221;<strong> Creating &#8220;A Supple Approach to Sharing Identity&#8221;<strong><br />
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<p>Virtual Worlds were not on the schedule.Â  But this is not surprising as their potential contributions to the very big problems at the heart of the Summitâ€™s theme are only just beginning to emerge.</p>
<p>But new forms ofÂ  participatory culture were a recurrent theme of the Summit.Â  And Virtual Worlds at the high bandwidth tip of the pyramid of global connectedness and SMS at the bottom of the pyramid have a lot to teach us about participatory culture.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/podcarspost1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2309" title="podcarspost1" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/podcarspost1.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="345" /></a></p>
<p>Crista Lopes recently co-founded with <a href="http://www.podcar.org/uppsalaconference/christerlindstrom.htm" target="_blank">Christer Lindstrom</a> a company, Encitra, that is focused on improving urban planning processes, starting with transportation, using virtual worlds. Christer Lindstrom has been a key evangelizer of PRT (personal rapid transit &#8211; see photo above).</p>
<p>Crista Lopes is Associate Professor at the University of California, Irvine, in the Department of Informatics (full interview coming soon).Â  Crista is using the dynamic shared viewpoint of virtual world technology to offer a way for the many stakeholders involved in a city scale transportation infrastructure change to participate in the process of planning. Crista is working with <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">OpenSim</a> &#8211; see the video ofÂ  <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kJNDcurLP1w" target="_blank">&#8220;Encitra &#8211; Creating Immersive Worlds.&#8221; </a></p>
<p>There are a number of use cases for Virtual Worlds in sustainable living being developed. I have written several posts on Oliver Goh&#8217;s work,Â  â€œ<a href="http://www-935.ibm.com/services/nl/gts/html/eolus.html" target="_blank">The Path to Sustainable Real Estate.â€</a> See my <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2007/07/02/eolus-makes-leap-to-3d-internet-on-second-life/" target="_blank">earlier posts here</a>, and <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2007/10/22/eolus-goes-open-sim/" target="_blank">here</a>, and <a href="../../2008/02/21/the-wizard-of-ibms-3d-data-centers/" target="_blank">IBMâ€™s Virtual Network Operation Centers.</a>â€œ</p>
<p>Also see the <a id="f.2t" title="recent announcement from Intel Research to create ScienceSim using OpenSim" href="http://blogs.intel.com/research/2008/11/immersive_science.php" target="_blank">recent announcement from Intel Research to create ScienceSim using OpenSim</a> (more on this soon). Justin Rattner writes:<em><br />
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<p><strong><em>&#8220;Wilfred Pinfold (an Intel colleague and general chair of Supercomputing 2009) announced to the Supercomputing 2008 conference attendees plans to create a new virtual world called â€œScienceSim.â€ Supported by Intel and the conference committee, this collaboration aims to use these immersive, connected environments to further cutting edge scientific research.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p>George Jobi, Intel, writes in <a href="http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/11/24/open-architecture-science-tools-immersive-science/" target="_blank">his post on ScienceSim</a>: &#8220;Intel is one of the founding members of OpenSim and had been building its vision of open standards based 3D web architecture around OpenSim.&#8221;</p>
<h3>The Achilles Heel of Web 2.0&#8230;&#8230;.?</h3>
<p>As Crista pointed out:</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;</strong></em><strong><em>TheÂ  Achilles Heel of Web 2.0 is trying to build the concept of person in a platform that doesn&#8217;t have people, at the center of the architecture.</em></strong><em><strong> With Web 2.0 we go through a lot of hoops trying to integrate basics concepts of identity and storage onto a platform that wasn&#8217;t designed for it.&#8221;</strong></em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/webapps.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2331" title="webapps" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/webapps.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="211" /></a></p>
<p>Most of us have bits of our identity scattered all over the web, e.g., partial friends list here, there and everywhere. Some of us have literally hundreds of different log ins and profiles. Our list of applications with pieces of our identity locked up in them might look something like the slide below from the <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1447875/" target="_blank">High Order Bit of Beerud Sheth, Webaroo Inc</a>.</p>
<p>In contrast, Crista noted:</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œT</strong></em><em><strong>he key component that a Virtual World offers you is that you can take your identity from place to place and the presence of people is at the center of the whole thing</strong></em>.â€</p>
<p>Crista has already submitted code that introduces hyperlinks to OpenSim (<a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid" target="_blank">see here</a>). Crista is computer scientist of many accomplishments including being the co-inventor of Aspect-Oriented Programming.</p>
<p>There is a long conversation in the comments on <a href="../../2008/11/02/tim-oreilly-instrumenting-the-world/" target="_blank">my interview with Tim Oâ€™Reilly</a> about whether the concept of avatar is the Achilles Heel of Virtual Worlds. So I asked Crista:</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œAre avatars the Achilles Heel of Virtual Worlds?</strong></em><em><strong>â€<br />
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<p>Crista explained why she thinks this is not the case in the modular open source architecture of <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">OpenSim </a>at least.</p>
<p><strong><em>â€œThe concept of people is not tied to the concept of avatar in OpenSim</em></strong>:<em><strong> One of the important parts of the OpenSim architecture is that the concept of user is very different from the concept of avatar.â€</strong></em></p>
<p>In OpenSim, Crista noted:</p>
<p><strong><em>User = identity +storage </em></strong></p>
<p>When I asked David Levine, IBM, what Web 2.0 could learn from virtual worlds re sharing identity, David, who works on interoperability and protocols in the <a href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Architecture_Working_Group" target="_blank">Architecture Working Group</a>, said:</p>
<p><em><strong>I</strong><strong>mmersive spaces, are the real time, multi-user online component of Web 2.0, and identity is deeply part of thatâ€¦â€¦..virtual Worlds teach us, as they expose more resources to Web 2.0,</strong></em><em><strong> that </strong></em><strong><em>there needs to be increasingly â€œsuppleâ€ ways of sharing identity <span id=":p9" dir="ltr">that go beyond simply anchoring it on gmail or openID, or such</span></em></strong>.</p>
<p>Social media has been one of Web 2.0&#8242;s success stories &#8211; giving the impression that Web 2.0 has people at the core of its architecture. But, as Crista pointed out, this is not the case.</p>
<p><strong><em>There is no way in Web 2.0 to do identity at the level of platform, at the moment. As soon as you want to create identity on the Web there is a big mess.â€</em></strong></p>
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<h3>Participatory Culture at the Bottom of the Pyramid: &#8220;The Web Beyond The Web&#8221;</h3>
<p>The â€œWeb Beyond the Web,â€ <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1447875/" target="_blank">Beerud </a><a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1447875/" target="_blank">Sheth, Webaroo Inc</a> quipped, is not his announcement of Web 3.0. Rather, Beerud is describing the parallel innovation at the bottom of the pyramid where lower prices on mobile devices rather than new features drives adoption and voice and SMS (short messaging service) rule.</p>
<p>SMS is the web of the people for most of the world.Â  The current ratio is 10:1 with 10 people using text messaging to every 1 that has web access and the SMS population is growing at a much higher rate than web users. TheÂ  innovation at the top of the pyramid, where a plethora of Web 2.0 apps are built on top ofÂ  http, looks like the unreadable slide above with a forest of applications.</p>
<p>In contrast innovation at the bottom of the pyramid, until recently, has been limited to ringtones, wall papers, and voice response mechanisms.Â  So Beerud introduced a new service <a href="http://www.smsgupshup.com/" target="_blank">GupShup</a>.</p>
<p>Gup Shup = Chit Chat</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œThink of GupShup as another cool word from the language that gave you yoga, nirvana and karma sutra,â€</strong></em> Beerud said.</p>
<p>GupShup is a <em><strong>&#8220;Twitter for India&#8221;</strong></em> but on a vastly bigger scale (only 18 months from launch they are up to 12 million users).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/gupshup.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2332" title="gupshup" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/gupshup.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="220" /></a></p>
<p>But, Beerud points out, don&#8217;t just file away GupShup as another twitter clone.Â  While they have Web and WAP site, they are deeply intergated into SMS as the lowest common denominator. GupShup can be used entirely from mobile which is vital as they have more users already than the total number of web users in India.</p>
<p>This idea of fully integrating into the lowest common denominator medium, SMS, has allowed GupShup to grow extremely rapidly. And, interestingly, when you look at the use cases you see the end users are deploying many of the uses cases that are familiar from the web,</p>
<p>Beerud left the audience with the take away that all the use cases are surprisingly similar to the web as are the ways of monetizing them,Â  This is creating enormous opportunity for creativity and entrepreneurship in building out this web beyond the web.</p>
<p>He invited those who already know the possibilities of the web to come and join this new adventure.Â  The enormous scale of the &#8220;web beyond the web,&#8221; and the fact people are connected almost continuously, creates vast opportunities for participatory culture to expand beyond the small triangle at the top of the pyramid.</p>
<p>On the â€œweb beyond the webâ€ the potential of 160 characters is explored on a scale unimaginable on Web 2.0 where Twitter, for example, is just one app in a vast ocean of other possibilities.</p>
<h3>Crossing the Chasm Between The Top and the Bottom of the Pyramid</h3>
<p>This total separation between the top and the bottom of the pyramid is, in part at least, constructed through the current web culture of web exclusive subscriptions.</p>
<p>It is perfectly possible to write an app that would accept SMS text and post it on a web page without ever requiring a web visit from the SMS subscriber. The same app could also accept text input from a web page and send it out as SMS to one or many subscribers that have never visited a web page, thus enabling communication across this gap.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pyramid.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2337" title="pyramid" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pyramid.jpg" alt="" width="395" height="263" /></a></p>
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<h3>Oxygenating the System: Monetizing Doing the Right Thing</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/goodguide.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2342" title="goodguide" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/goodguide.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="293" /></a></p>
<p>The VCs, business leaders andÂ  entrepreneurs at Web 2.0 Summit had their entrepreneurial Spidy Senses (as John Battelle calls them) tuned to the challenges and opportunities of Web Meets World.Â  Some of the winners of the <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1444804/" target="_blank">Web 2.0 Launch Pad Competition </a>explored the premise that doing the right thing can be monetized.</p>
<p>Danny Kennedyâ€™ <a href="http://www.sungevity.com/#start" target="_blank">Sungevity</a> was the overall winner.Â  Sungevityâ€™s aim is to â€œscale solar electricity as a solution to climate change.â€Â  Their use of a Virtual Earth feed to streamline the installation of solar panels and ambition to be the SalesForce.com for the solar industry was a very winning combo.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goodguide.com/" target="_blank">Good Guide,</a> a really excellent service (also available as an iphone app) providing a guide to all products from the perspective of their healthfullness, greeness and other socially valuable criteria clearly scored a 10 on doing the right thing.Â  But Good Guide&#8217;s ability to succeed on the monetizing side of the equation was questioned by one of the VCâ€™s on the Launch Pad panel.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.carbonetworks.com/" target="_blank">Carbon Networks</a> pitched with the mantra â€œdo the right thing and enhance the balance sheets in the process.â€ But the difficulty there, it seems to me, is that there are many questions re the benefits, or lack of them, of global carbon trading markets.</p>
<p>Carbon Networks argued that carbon markets, which are already a giant industry, present enormous opportunity for companies to monetize doing the right thing.</p>
<p>I asked Gavin Starks (who<a href="../../2008/11/02/tim-oreilly-instrumenting-the-world/"> I interviewed recently</a> about his venture <a href="http://www.amee.cc/" target="_blank">AMEE</a> &#8211; a BIG project to aggregate the world&#8217;s energy data) about the problems of carbon markets.</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;They have high levels of inappropriate use even for a new market area,&#8221; </strong></em>he commented, noting:</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;There are some superb projects out there, but it would be fair to say there has been good dose of snake oil in the space &#8211; which has certainly not helped to build consumer confidence. However, markets are necessary to engage with the scale of investment that is needed to address the issue &#8211; it&#8217;s the use of funds that needs more scrutiny and greater transparency needs to be given to the whole process.&#8221; </strong></em></p>
<p>There are projects working with <a id="qw4q" title="Voluntary Emissions Reduction" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Emissions_Reduction">Voluntary Emissions Reduction</a> which aren&#8217;t tradable on proper carbon cap-and-trade markets, <em><strong>&#8220;though in theory the step up to CERs (certified emissions reductions) isn&#8217;t too great a thing,&#8221;</strong></em> Gavin noted.</p>
<p><a id="jkkd" title="MicroEnergy Credits" href="http://microenergycredits.com/">MicroEnergy Credits</a> theÂ  initiative presented on the <a href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/schedule/detail/5067" target="_blank">Track Me panel </a>by April Allderdice, co-founder and CEO, is a good example of this.</p>
<p>Gavin pointed me to <a href="http://www.cheatneutral.com/" target="_blank">CheatNeutral</a> and their YouTube video for a hilarious and razor sharp look at the problems of carbon offsetting. The text below is from the <a href="http://docs.google.com/CheatNeutral" target="_blank">CheatNeutral</a> site.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/cheatneutral.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2316" title="cheatneutral" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/cheatneutral.jpg" alt="" width="311" height="286" /></a></p>
<p>Gavin also explained a new initiative <a href="http://sandbag.org.uk/" target="_blank">Sandbag (beta)</a>. Sandbag aims to take the permits that allow polluters to pollute out of the system.</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;Thanks to policy makers in the UN and Europe levels of pollution are now controlled. Permits must be bought by polluters to let them keep polluting. But there is a finite number of them in circulation and the good news is anyone can buy them. So by<strong> takingÂ a permitÂ out of the system </strong>we can reduce the amount of pollution taking place and force industry to invest in cleaner technologies. One less permit means one less tonne of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amee.cc/" target="_blank">AMEE</a> is working withÂ  <a href="http://sandbag.org.uk/" target="_blank">Sandbag</a></p>
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<h3>Consuming Less and Redefining Prosperity</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/consumingless.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2312" title="consumingless" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/consumingless.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="331" /></a></p>
<p>This picture is from the <a href="http://www.aspo-usa.com/aspousa4/matrix.cfm" target="_blank">Sustainable Mobility Panel at the ASPO-USA Peak Oil Conference</a>.<a href="http://www.podcar.org/uppsalaconference/christerlindstrom.htm" target="_blank"><br />
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<p>Perhaps nowhere is it more clear than when we look at the reports that link catastrophic climate change to the assumption of growth that what is really at stake in terms of averting catastrophe is not just retooling our energy infrastructure, but fundamental changes at the level of culture and identity.</p>
<p><strong><em>Consuming less may be the single biggest thing you can do to save Carbon Emissions,</em></strong> Tim Oâ€™Reilly said, in his Tweet on <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026786.100-special-report-why-politicians-dare-not-limit-economic-growth.html%3Ffull%3Dtrue" target="_blank">â€œWhy politicians dare not limit economic growth.â€</a></p>
<p><strong><em>A growing band of experts are looking at figures l<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026786.000-special-report-how-our-economy-is-killing-the-earth.html" target="_blank">ike these</a> and arguing that personal carbon virtue and collective environmentalism are futile as long as our economic system is built on the assumption of growth. (</em><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026786.000-special-report-how-our-economy-is-killing-the-earth.html" target="_blank">New Scientist)</a></strong></p>
<p>But few of us are willing to contemplate what a sustainable economy and averting the catastrophe of climate change require &#8211; redefining prosperity and reducing consumption (see <a href="http://www.sd-commission.org.uk/pages/redefining-prosperity.html" target="_blank">Redefining Prosperity</a>).</p>
<p>Web 2.0 Summit took on the challenge of reimagining giant industries like energy, food and transportation and how we mightÂ  be able to shift away from a culture of food and energy consumption that is basically killing us and our world (see <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1461585/" target="_blank">Michael Pollanâ€™s brilliant High Order Bit</a> on the culture of food in the US).</p>
<p>The Summit gurus urged that taking risks and tackling very big problems has always been what Web 2.0 is about and indeed cultural shifts of the magnitude needed would be hard to imagine without a Web 2.0 perspective</p>
<p>S<a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1450845/" target="_blank">hai Agassi</a>, Better Place, explained how paradigm shifts require new business models. <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1450845/" target="_blank">See Shaiâ€™s High Order Bit here</a> on the evolution of â€œBetter Place,â€ -Â  by giving away free electric cars he is creating a new business venture that will bring clean cars into the mass market.Â  New business models not just new technology are required to drive change.</p>
<p><a href="http://millionsofus.com/blog/category/reubens-thoughts/" target="_blank">B</a><a href="http://millionsofus.com/blog/category/reubens-thoughts/" target="_blank">reaking News From Reuben Steigerâ€™s blog</a></p>
<p>First Israel.Â  Then Denmark.Â  A few weeks ago, <a href="http://www.betterplace.com/press-room/press-releases-detail/better-place-partners-with-agl-and-macquarie-to-build-ev-infrastructure-in-/">Australia</a>.Â  Today,Â  Mayor Newsom along with Governor Schwartznegger and the Mayors of San Jose and Oakland, <a href="http://www.betterplace.com/california">announced that they would be making a major move towards bringing electric vehicles and the Better Place network to the Bay Area</a>.</p>
<p>Please, visit <a href="http://planet.betterplace.com/">Planet Better Place</a> to <a href="http://planet.betterplace.com/">sign the petition</a>,Â  <a href="http://planet.betterplace.com/page/take-action-1">join the movement</a> and bring Better Place to your town or country.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/planet-betterplace.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2318" title="planet-betterplace" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/planet-betterplace.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="196" /></a></p>
<p>To motivate yourself and others how important it is to change patterns of consumption see Saul Griffithâ€™sÂ <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/file/1446447/" target="_blank">High Order Bit here</a> and <a href="http://www.wattzon.com/" target="_blank">Project Wattzon</a></p>
<p><em><strong>â€œâ€¦..from flying, driving, powering a home, eating, shopping, working and even oneâ€™s share of the energy necessary to make our society function. WattzOn helps users understand their personal impact on the environment and how they rate compared to others WattzOn users, as well as global averages.â€</strong></em></p>
<h3>&#8220;The Secret Sauce&#8221;: New Business Models for Web Meets World</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.threadless.com" target="_blank"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2385" title="threadless" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/threadless.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="239" /></a></p>
<p>I spent some time talking to <a href="http://dondodge.typepad.com/" target="_blank">Don Dodge</a>, Director of Business Development, Microsoftâ€™s Emerging Business Division, about the future ofÂ  virtual worlds and what technologies he thought would play an important role in developing the participatory architecture of the web (full interview coming soon!).</p>
<p><em><strong>â€œThe question is how do you apply these technologies? Where is the best use for them? And this is the hard part.Â  When you look at social media and social networks and things like Wikipedia, donâ€™t look so much at the technology because that is fairly simple.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Look at the rules of social interaction and how people interact, and how you put protections in there so that people donâ€™t game the system or do bad things.Â  Look at the processes because thatâ€™s really the secret sauce of how it all works.Â  The technology is simple. It looks easy from a distance, when you start getting into how it really works from a social perspective thatâ€™s the secret sauce.â€</strong></em></p>
<p>(<em><strong>screenshot above from <a href="http://www.threadless.com" target="_blank">Threadless</a> )</strong></em><em><strong></strong></em></p>
<p>Also I caught up with John Battelle, Federated Media Publishing (<a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/003575.php" target="_blank">see his Data Bill of Rights here)</a>, and Jennifer Pahlka, <a href="http://www.techweb.com/" target="_blank">TechWeb</a>, at a small press conference. I managed to squeeze in a couple of questions!</p>
<p>Tish Shute:<em><strong> If marketing has been the oxygen of the system up to now, what will oxygenate the system of the new participatory culture of Web meets Worldâ€</strong></em></p>
<p>John Battelle:<em><strong> I donâ€™t think marketing ever stops being one of the most significant pieces of the economy -Â  because it is, of the whole economy. So what I do think will happen, and this is the company that I run, I do think marketing will shift very dramatically in terms of its approach and how it is a part of the value exchange that occurs around goods.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>One of the reasons that I had Tony Tsieh from <a href="http://www.zappos.com/" target="_blank">Zappos</a> was to show that.Â Â  Tony shows how every single human being in his organization is a marketer and sees every interaction they have as marketing.Â  Can you imagineÂ  a company as big as Intel that has that kind of an approach?Â  Thatâ€™s when we will have a real shift. Business models based on that idea are emerging.Â  I run a company that is involved in that. I donâ€™t try to push it on the stage ..but I do it is right there Federated Media!Â  And now I am pushing it [laughs]</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Its an idea that comes from all this staring at this.</strong> <strong>I do think marketing is going to shift quite dramatically.</strong> <strong>So we may see in 10 yrs that we donâ€™t have a big media budgetÂ  pushing adds at people. But will there always be budgets for creation of value exchange between consumers and producers? yes! There will just be new models for how that money is distributed and spent</strong> <strong>and new services and intermediaries for that value exchange.</strong></em></p>
<p>Tish Shute:Â <em><strong>But who controls definition of data will remain key right?</strong></em></p>
<p>John Battelle:<em><strong> There is a reason why Yahoo, AOL, Facebook, MySpace, all of whom are here, and Google, are all about the dataâ€¦.all about the dataâ€¦.sorry I have to go!</strong></em></p>
<p>Jennifer Pahlka: <em><strong>I think in addition to the enormous changes that John was just talking about in marketing, and I think these are very significant &#8211; the way marketing will be seen completely differently 5 years from now.Â  There is also the shift in Web 2 away from an over identification withÂ  Web 2.0 as being primarily about and driven by advertisingÂ  because of these models that are emerging for Web 2 that are driven by data, driven by services, subscription.Â  There are a whole bunch of other business models for Web 2 start ups and for enterprise that really donâ€™t have anything to do with that at all.</strong></em></p>
<p>Tish Shute:<em><strong> And in terms of participatory culture and sharing data?<br />
</strong></em></p>
<p>Jennifer Pahlka:Â <em><strong>And even on a simpler level than the data.Â  Thi</strong><strong>nk of a company like <a href="http://www.threadless.com" target="_blank">Threadless</a> [see screenshot above]. Their co-founders are keynoting at our Spring event.Â  They have taken some of the other principles of the architecture of participation and the creativity of the community and built a whole difference around that.Â  And all they do is sell T-Shirts.</strong></em></p>
<h3>â€œA Billion One-Person Enterprisesâ€</h3>
<p>New York Times writer, Saul Hansell, in his article, <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/web-20-gets-big-and-corporate/?scp=1&amp;sq=web%202.0%20summit&amp;st=cse" target="_blank">â€œWeb 2.0 Gets Big and Corporate,â€</a> writes, â€œthe best minds of our generation are turning to the Web for solutions.â€Â  â€¦..the big companies that make very complicated systems are reworking them using the principles of Web 2.0 companies.â€</p>
<p>But â€œbig companiesâ€ themselves may soon be a thing of the past.Â  One of the potential futures many my friends in virtual worlds have been looking at is, â€œif the future consisted of a billion one-person enterprises.â€</p>
<p>Tony Oâ€™Driscoll described some of his thinking re the role virtual worlds will play in this potential future.Â  See Tonyâ€™s presentation, <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/tonyodriscoll/dor-futurecast-presentation/">â€œA brief history of a potential futureâ€ on SlideShare.</a> Tonyâ€™s research provides a window onto the new participatory architecture of business, government and the economy and the ways the individual and the collective will have new dynamic relationships based on &#8220;co-creation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Second Life and Wikipedia are the two great experiments in collaborative co-creation. They show us how co-creation can be one of the keys to a participatory global culture and sustainable living &#8211; part of creating an alternative to this economy of escalating consumption that has us in its death grip today.</p>
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		<title>Freada Kapor Klein and Mitch Kapor: Incubating the Future</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was very fortunate to be in San Francisco last week for the Web 2.0 Summit 2008 co-presented by Oâ€™Reilly Media and TechWeb (see my upcoming post &#8220;Web 2.0 Meets World 2.0: The Civilization of Data&#8221;). But I was doubly fortunate to spend the historic election night, the day before the Summit, at 543 Howard [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>I was very fortunate to be in San Francisco last week for the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/content/home">Web 2.0 Summit 2008</a> co-presented by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://conferences.oreillynet.com/">Oâ€™Reilly Media</a> and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.techweb.com//">TechWeb</a> (see my upcoming post &#8220;Web 2.0 Meets World 2.0: The Civilization of Data&#8221;). But I was doubly fortunate to spend the historic election night, the day before the Summit, at 543 Howard Street &#8211; where Freada Kapor Klein and Mitch Kapor are incubating the future.</p>
<p>In the picture above: Chandler, Freada and Mitch (who is keeping one eye, perhaps, on <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/" target="_blank">fivethirtyeight.com</a>).</p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">543 Howard is a large, child and dog friendly building South of Market. It is home to several organizations all connected with one another that Freada and Mitch founded.Â  Some are non- profit and some for-profit, but all share a common kind of value framework &#8211; trying to make a difference in the world</span>.</p>
<p>This incubator of the future links business development to building a better society. It is a community of entrepreneurs and social activists answering the call, in a daily practice, to the question at the heart of the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/content/home">Web 2.0 Summit</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>how the Webâ€”its technologies, its values, and its cultureâ€”might be tapped to address the world&#8217;s most pressing limits. Or put another wayâ€”and in the true spirit of the Internet entrepreneurâ€”its most pressing opportunities.</p></blockquote>
<p>Like the Web 2.0 Summit, 543 Howard Street is deeply rooted in the hallmarks of Web 2.0 culture where &#8220;the Web&#8217;s greatest inventions are, at their core, social movements&#8221;Â  (for more on the Summit&#8217;s Web Meets World theme <a href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/content/home" target="_blank">see the intro to the Web 2.0 Summit here</a>).</p>
<p>And 543 is a hot house of thought leaders, and world class entrepreneurs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bettinaandroypost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2155" title="bettinaandroypost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bettinaandroypost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="323" /></a></p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">The picture above is <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bframe/sets/72157608787180562/  " target="_blank">Bettina Neuefeind</a> (married to Larry Lessig &#8211; </span><a href="http://change-congress.org/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Change Congress</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">). Bettina and volunteer, Roy Bowers, look as though they are feeling confident shortly before Barak Obama became President Elect. </span></p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Bettina, a photographer (see <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bframe/sets/72157608787180562/  " target="_blank">her election photoset</a>) and attorney, took leave from her job as an attorney to work as Volunteer Office Manager for the SF </span><a id="uuf-" title="Obama for America" href="http://www.barackobama.com/index.php"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Obama for America</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> HQ back in September.Â  Bettina organized an overflow phone bank at 543 Howard </span>during the November 1-4 Get Out the Vote (GOTV) <span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">.</span></p>
<p>Freada encapsulated the mission of 543 Howard to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>So it is about empathy, It is about building understanding and it is about building bridges between the non-profit world and the for profit world, between the geeks and the social justice types between lots of different types of groups.Â  Everybody is smart, everybody has a big heart and everybody is working on great things. So we are really trying to work together and build community.</p></blockquote>
<p>I will pick up more on this theme of &#8220;empathy&#8221; in my next post. I think Freada&#8217;s emphasis on empathy highlights something that will, perhaps, be key to Web Meets World thinking:Â  Networked intelligence which is at the core of today&#8217;s Web and, increasingly, it will become integrated with emotional intelligence. ThisÂ  was a theme I saw developed in some interesting ways at Web 2.0 Summit.</p>
<p>Mitch explained more about the organizations at 543:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are several organizations all connected with one another, some non- profit, some for-profit but all efforts that Freada and Mitch founded. There is <a href="http://docs.google.com/promotes%20innovative%20approaches%20to%20fairness%20in%20higher%20education%20and%20workplaces%20by%20removing%20barriers%20to%20full%20participation." target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Level Playing Field Institute</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> &#8211; an activist non-profit &#8211; which Freada started that runs scholarship and leadership development programs for underrepresented students of color and is involved in reducing bias in the work place. Also there is </span><a href="http://mkf.org/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">The Mitchell Kapor Foundation</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> which has grant programs in education, the environment and voting access</span>.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>We did a whole big program this year to help organizations in terms of people&#8217;s right to vote.Â  And on election day we have been hosting one of the National Call Centers for the <a href="http://www.866ourvote.org/" target="_blank">Election Protection Coalition</a>. We have room full of volunteer attorneys hooked up to phones connected to 866 Our Vote. So we are part of this national system where people can refer any problem they are having voting.</p>
<p>The Election Protection Center has been in the works for months.Â  We had to get tied into their 800 number.Â  There is a lot of set up for that. Election Protection is strictly non-partisan.Â  As you noticed,Â  when we were together there, I had to take off my Obama T-Shirt when I went in the room.Â  It is like a polling place you can&#8217;t have any political signs.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/electionprotection.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2197" title="electionprotection" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/electionprotection.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="299" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Also for the last few days here, we have been hosting a call center phone bank. <a href="http://www.barackobama.com/" target="_blank">Obama For America</a> ran out of room in their office space in SF and we had some extra space. So they have their own cell phones and charges, and we have been making the space available so they can make get out the vote calls in the final days of the campaign.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/watchingtheresultdscomeinpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2212" title="watchingtheresultdscomeinpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/watchingtheresultdscomeinpost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="299" /></a></p>
<p>Everyone was quite nervous at the beginning of the night!</p>
<p>I went into <a href="http://www.secondlife.com" target="_blank">Second Life</a> <span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">(Mitch Kapor was the Angel Investor for </span><a href="http://lindenlab.com/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Linden Lab</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">) to find people were anxiously watching there too &#8211; on CapitolÂ  Hill.Â  Capitol Hill was built by </span><a href="http://www.clearink.com/index.php/nelson.html" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Steve Nelson from Clear Ink</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">. Steveâ€™s </span><a href="http://clearnightsky.com/node/460" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Interactive Polling Map</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> is only one of a number of interesting projects he has pioneered in Second Life.Â  See </span><a href="http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2008/11/null-and-void-d.html" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">New World Notes</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> for just how big the victory celebrations got in Second Life.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/capitolhillpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2220" title="capitolhillpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/capitolhillpost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="227" /></a></p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">But we all relaxed when the results started coming in.Â  Freada gave me a signed copy of her book </span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Giving-Notice-Brightest-Leaving-Workplace/dp/0787998095" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">â€œGiving Notice: Why the Best and the Brightest Leave the Workplace and How you Can Help Them Stayâ€</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> Thank you Freada!Â  The beaded Apple II and Lotus 1-2-3 box in the picture below were commissioned by Freada.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/freadabookpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2217" title="freadabookpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/freadabookpost.jpg" alt="" width="397" height="566" /></a></p>
<p>Mitch<span class="ru_A8CC50_tx"> </span><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">continued with the story of</span> 543:</p>
<blockquote><p>We also have start-up activities that I do. So there is an internet start-up called <a href="http://www.foxmarks.com/" target="_blank">Foxmarks</a>.Â  It is a very popular extension for the Firefox web browser.Â  It synchronizes bookmarks and passwords and will soon do lots of other things as well. There are also some other new startups that are being incubated here.Â  They are not exactly in stealth mode but they like to control their own PR.</p></blockquote>
<p>I met <a href="http://venturehacks.com/cubetree" target="_blank">Ross Fubini</a> of <a href="http://www.cubetree.com/" target="_blank">CubeTree</a>. He is the person with the laptop in the picture <span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">above where everyone is nervously watching results at the beginning of the night. But, as CubeTree still in Private Beta, my lips are sealed!</span></p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">543 incubates a set of diverse projects, Mitch explained</span>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Then there is <a href="http://change-congress.org/" target="_blank">Change Congress</a> which is a guest here It is a non-profit started by Larry Lessig and Joe Trippi that is trying to secure reforms on congress financing and an end of ear marks and things like that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Larry Lessig (Creative Commons) gave a brilliant <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&amp;nsfw=dc" target="_blank">High Order Bit on Change Congress at Web 2.0 Summit</a>. Creative Commons was also housed in 543 before it got too big and found its own space.</p>
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<p>Several commentators on the Web 2.0 Summit have described a shift from Web 2.0 culture to World 2.0.</p>
<p>Thomas Clayburn&#8217;s post for Information Week, headlines, <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/web2.0/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=GGWSYMCG0K0VQQSNDLPCKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=212001315&amp;subSection=News" target="_blank">&#8220;Web 2.0 Summit: President Elect Obama Typifies World 2.0.&#8221;</a> Clayburn reports on the <span id="articleBody">discussion with <em>New York Magazine</em> writer John Heilemann, Huffington Post founder Arianna Huffington, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, and political strategist Joe Trippi who illuminate how the internet and social networking were key to the Obama victory.Â  Here is the panel discussion.Â  It is, certainly, one of most interesting conversations at the summit.</span></p>
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<h3>Changing the World: &#8220;Fairness matters&#8221;</h3>
<p><a href="http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-247339.html" target="_blank">ZDNet reports</a> that the message of Web 2.0 Summit was &#8220;It&#8217;s Up To Tech To Save The World.&#8221; And, Larry Brilliant of Google.org stressedÂ  &#8220;ideas, flexibility and entrepreneurship&#8221; are at the heart of this endeavor.</p>
<p>Freada Kapor&#8217;s<span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> </span><a href="http://docs.google.com/promotes%20innovative%20approaches%20to%20fairness%20in%20higher%20education%20and%20workplaces%20by%20removing%20barriers%20to%20full%20participation." target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Level Playing Field Institute</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">, â€œpromotes innovative approaches to fairness in higher education and workplaces by removing barriers to full participation.&#8221;Â  This initiative takes up the challenge of making sure, that if tech is going to change the world, we tackle the obstacles to full participation.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/levelplayingfield.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2208" title="levelplayingfield" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/levelplayingfield.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="261" /></a></p>
<p>Eric Wong is a Creative producer for <a href="http://web20summit.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&amp;nsfw=dc" target="_blank">Kapor Enterprises</a>&#8216; creative team (see picture below).Â  Kapor Enterprises is a service organization that provides services for all the other entities in the building, accounting, IT and creative services. <a href="http://www.smashvideo.org/?author=4" target="_blank">Trevor Parham,</a> who I saw several times that night but without my camera in hand, is the Director of the Creative Group and<a href="http://www.smashvideo.org/?page_id=3" target="_blank"> a SMASH instructor</a>.<br />
<a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ericwong.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2218" title="ericwong" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ericwong.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="299" /></a></p>
<h3>Joining the Players of Web 2.0</h3>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">A theme of Web 2.0 SummitÂ  was that even in the worst of times and in â€œthis is the New, New, New Economy where $50,000, MySQL, Rails, </span><span class="caps"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">PHP</span></span><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">, WordPress, Twitter, and passion go a long, long way.â€ </span></p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">The panel </span><a href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/schedule/detail/6982" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">â€œTech Hunch Thriftyâ€</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> featured several startups including Rashmi Sinhaâ€™s </span><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">SlideShare</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> and Garry Tan cofounder of </span><a href="http://posterous.com/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Posterous</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">.Â  Mitch Kapor is an Angel Investor in Posterous.</span></p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Rashmi was named by FastCompany as one of </span><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/articles/2008/11/influential-women-web.html" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">â€œThe Most Influential Women in Web 2.0.â€</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> FastCompany also noted a stat that needs to change â€œonly a quarter of those involved in computer and mathematical occupations are women.â€Â  Changing this is something that Freada Kapor has put on the top of her agenda.</span></p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">After watching Mitch Kapor post by email to Posterous I was hooked!Â  Check out Mitchâ€™s Posterous and this post </span><a href="http://tish.posterous.com/web-20-summit-twitter-meetup" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Mitchâ€™s K9 Election protection crew</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">. He is emailing it in the picture below.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mitchandk9post.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2209" title="mitchandk9post" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mitchandk9post.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="299" /></a></p>
<p>I just emailed my third post on <a href="http://tish.posterous.com/web-20-from-the-primordial-ooz" target="_blank">my new Posterous blog</a> -Â <span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> the picture below taken in the Web 2.0 Summit media room with exquisite timing by the artist/super star blogger Brian Solis.Â  See </span><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/briansolis/3009968959/in/set-72157608713703958/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Brian Solisâ€™ Flickr</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">, </span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.briansolis.com/"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">www.briansolis.com</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">, </span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://bub.blicio.us/"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">bub.blicio.us</span></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/legendarybloggers.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2210" title="legendarybloggers" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/legendarybloggers.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://bub.blicio.us/"></a></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://bub.blicio.us/"></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">I am with some legendary bloggers, who know each other very well. </span><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">From left to right:</span><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> Steve Gillmor (check out </span><a href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/11/09/dan-farber-on-yahoo-sun-and-web-20-summit/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Steve Gilmorâ€™s interview with Dan Farber and post here</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk"> &#8211; a piece of blogging artistry contextulizing some of the key threads of Web 2.0 Summit); </span><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13953_3-10083713-80.html?tag=mncol;title" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Dan Farbe</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">r; </span><a href="http://techmeme.com/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Gabe Rivera</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">; and </span><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/05/jerry-yang-speaks-at-web-20-our-live-notes/" target="_blank"><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">Michael Arrington</span></a><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">.</span></p>
<p>OMG! I am not sure if I can blog the inside story of the Summit Media center.  But suffice to say, I learned a lot about Web 2.0 in my hours there.</p>
<p>Yes, from the primordial ooze, who gets to define the data rules!</p>
<p>Of course, one of the wonders of Web 2.0 is that Wikipedia&#8217;s collectively generated user content ranks top in Google. I had a very interesting conversation with <a href="http://wwww.jehochman.com" target="_blank">Jonathan Hochman</a> about Wikipedia and Second Life (see upcoming interview). There are some very interesting lessons for the pioneers of Web Meets World in how these large user generated communities negotiate the definition of data.</p>
<p><span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">In the Media Center, I got a first hand look at how super star bloggers conjure up page rank and influence when they hit post. And just in case you were wondering what we are looking at, we are checking out whose post on John Battelleâ€™s interview with Jerry Yang came out top in Google.Â  Not mine, of course!Â  I am still working on my Web 2.0 Summit posts.</span></p>
<p>Oh well that is one <span class="ru_A8CC50_bk">of the problems with writing 5000 word articles!Â  But, I take heart, Steve Gilmor said to me 1000 word posts, at least, are the way things are going in blogging these days. But 5000, I wonder</span>?</p>
<h3>Story of A Successful Startup: Foxmarks</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/toddpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2223" title="toddpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/toddpost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="322" /></a></p>
<p>I interviewed <a href="http://www.foxmarks.com/about_us" target="_blank">Todd Algunick</a>, CTO of <a href="http://www.foxmarks.com/" target="_blank">Foxmarks</a> to find out what were the ingredients that had produced this successful internet start-up. Todd told me a fascinating story about how he met Mitch in a Computer store when he was a 12 years old.Â  And how Mitch used to come in after late night programming binges to show off the latest thing he had been working on. Todd said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I started talking and explaining to him how some of the things he was doing could be done a little bit better. And he ended up hiring me as a contractor tp help him out on some of his projects&#8230;&#8230;. We spent a lot of time working together.Â  I was there at Lotus in the early days while it grew into the thing it is.</p>
<p>There was a middle part of my career when he and I parted company.Â  I was out on the West Coast and he stayed East.</p>
<p>A few years ago we reconnected and started exploring different things that were happening. It seemed like there was something we could do in this new web space that was opening up. We experimented with a lot of different things &#8211; some protocol things, some event related things.Â  And we finally settled on Foxmarks just as something Mitch needed personally. We built the first thing as a prototype for Mitch to use and it worked&#8230;and we said, &#8220;well I bet other people want this too.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<h3>Linden Lab offer $10,000 Prize</h3>
<p>When I got back to NYC, Monday, I noticed this timely announcement on the <a href="http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/11/10/announcing-the-10000-linden-prize/" target="_blank">Official Linden blog</a>.Â  Second Life residents now have an extra incentive to get involved in &#8220;working on stuff that matters.&#8221;</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/11/10/announcing-the-10000-linden-prize/" target="_blank">Official Linden blog</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Linden Prize will award one Second Life Resident or team with $10,000 USD, paid in Linden dollars, for an innovative inworld project that improves the way people work, learn and communicate in their daily lives outside of the virtual world. The award is intended to align with Linden Labâ€™s company missionâ€“to connect all people to an online world that advances the human condition.</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[The curtains are lifting between Virtual Worlds, Web 2.0, and online gaming. There are many indications of this in the news including, the rebranding of the Virtual Worlds Conf. and Expo in New York City as &#8220;Engage! Expo &#8211; 3D Web, Virtual Worlds, and Virtual Goods,&#8221; and Google&#8217;s Lively opening up an API for game [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>The curtains are lifting between Virtual Worlds, Web 2.0, and online gaming. There are many indications of this in the news including, the rebranding of the Virtual Worlds Conf. and Expo in New York City as <a href="http://www.engageexpo.com/expo/index.html" target="_blank">&#8220;Engage! Expo</a> &#8211; 3D Web, Virtual Worlds, and Virtual Goods,&#8221; and<a href="http://www.lively.com/html/landing.html" target="_blank"> Google&#8217;s Lively</a> opening up <a href="http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2008/09/will-lively-be.html" target="_blank">an API for game development</a>.</p>
<p>And, If you have been reading Ugotrade recently, you will know I have been up late several nights trying to keep up with the pace of theÂ  <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">OpenSim</a>, <a href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Architecture_Working_Group" target="_blank">Architecture Working Group</a> and <a href="http://secondlifegrid.net.s3.amazonaws.com/docs/specs/SLGOGP-draft-1.html" target="_blank">OpenGrid Protoco</a>l teams that are proceeding at a fast clip with their work on Web 2.0 integration for immersive Virtual Worlds (and there is still much more to write on this!).</p>
<p>Also, this week, there was the preview launch (the full launch is scheduled for November) of a new collaboration, &#8220;SHASPA,&#8221; between EOLUS<sup>Â®</sup> One and <a href="http://www.seriousgamesinstitute.co.uk/" target="_blank">The Serious Games Institute</a>.Â  SHASPA was unveiled to a select audience of business decision makers at the <a href="http://www.shakespeares-globe.org/" target="_blank">Globe Theater, London</a> on Wednesday.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/images/OliverShaspa.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-1910" title="olivershaspapost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/olivershaspapost-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/images/Shaspa1.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-1911" title="shaspa1post" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/shaspa1post-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/images/DavidWortley.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-1917" title="davidwortleypost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/davidwortleypost-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<h3>SHASPA-  making a &#8220;smart&#8221; world with &#8220;shared spaces.&#8221;</h3>
<p>Oliver Goh said, &#8220;SHASPA&#8221; is a unique cooperation to bring together Virtual Worlds (OpenSim, Second Life<sup>Â®</sup>), Web 2.0 Applications and the world of mobile applications&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pictures above show Oliver speaking (far left) and David Wortley, Director of the Serious Games Institute (SGI) at Coventry (far right), and some of the audience (center). I recognize several very important virtual world pioneers and innovators in the midst of the frey &#8211; Rohan Freeman (CEO of the <a href="http://www.sinewavecompany.com/" target="_blank">Sine Wave Company</a>), Prof Jeremy Watson (<a href="http://www.arup.com/">Arup</a>), Dr Anthony Dennis (<a href="http://www.infoterra.co.uk/" target="_blank">infoterra</a>),Â  and <a href="http://www.nanodave.com/" target="_blank">Dave Taylor</a>, Programme Lead, Virtual Worlds and Medical Media at Imperial College London.</p>
<p>EOLUS<sup>Â®</sup> One initially started as an innovation project with the focus to develop new service oriented offerings for the real estate industry. Oliver explained to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>The focus is on sustainable real estate, enhancing the structural and technical performance of properties which will be the first use case for SHASPA. SHASPA uses the combined power of the work done by the SGI and EOLUS One to create Smart Shared Spaces for various industries. The first use case will be in the Real Estate industry to revolutionize approaches to facilities/property performance optimization and energy management.</p></blockquote>
<h3>RealXtend harnesses OpenSim as engine for their server side development</h3>
<p>Adam Frisby sent me the picture opening this post today.Â  Adam pointed out It shows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;<a href="http://www.realxtend.org/" target="_blank">Realxtend</a> just running under OpenSim rather than the forked version of OpenSim realXtend did. It&#8217;s been converted to a set of OpenSim plugins &#8211; we&#8217;re still at a semi-preliminary stage, however, we&#8217;ve got Rex avatars and a few other features now working.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.realxtend.org/" target="_blank">Realxtend</a> is now able to leverage the OpenSim core, and OpenSim developers can work with realXtend innovation as plugins. For more details on this modular integration <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/07/02/new-release-from-realxtend-and-modular-integration-into-opensim/" target="_blank">see my previous post</a>.Â  This modular architecture will create many new opportunities for mashups.Â  And the Web 2.0 integration and interoperability work that is central to the OpenSim vision will be aligned with the advanced 3D Internet layer realXtend has been building on top of it.</p>
<p>On their diverse and multifaceted team, RealXtend has a number of world class game developersÂ  who have in a very short time progressed rapidly towards the goals Tony Manninen, Ludocraft, <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/02/27/realxtends-vision-for-avatar-20/" target="_blank">described to me back in February,</a> &#8220;making sure the realXtend development reaches the required quality and performance standards you would expect from MMOGs.&#8221;</p>
<p>And as Jani Pirkola, Project Manager for RealXtend, points out:</p>
<blockquote><p>For realXtend it means that we can have all the OpenSim development directly benefit realXtend, whether it is Web 2.0 or other features.</p></blockquote>
<h3>Web Friendly Standards for Virtual Worlds</h3>
<p>I am off to London next week to the <a href="http://www.virtualworlds2007.com/" target="_blank">Virtual Worlds Conf an Expo</a>.Â  But, while I am very excited to meet old and new friends there, it is disappointing to note that the open source developer communities and the interoperability and open protocol efforts of OpenSim and Linden Lab are sadly unrepresented in London.</p>
<p>Making virtual worlds part of the fabric of the internet and everyday computing will not happen because some arbitrary standards body pontificates on elaborate requirements and then tries to get the backing of big business to implement their standards from top down. There are many white papers on why this old fashioned way of developing standards is not applicable to the fast moving internet environment.Â Â  As David Levine, IBM, so nicely put it a while back, interoperability and standards for virtual worlds:</p>
<blockquote><p>will emerge battered byte by battered byte from the hands of grubbie techies each with an agenda. Except on Second Life some of us are blonde, with a pert smile but yeahâ€¦.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is, in my view, unfortunate that Dr Yesha Y Sivian, <a href="http://www.metaverse1.org/" target="_blank">Metaverse1</a>, in <a href="http://www.metaverse1.org/2008/08/virtual-worlds-sos-state-of-standards.html" target="_blank">his talk</a> &#8220;Virtual Worlds State of Standards (SOS): MPEG-V, Metaverse1, Open-SIM and more&#8221; has put OpenSim in his title (and Architecture Working Group in the body of his abstract) when he does not seem to have (yet) invited anyone from OpenSim or Architecture Working Group or OGP to represent their own work.Â  Again, unfortunately, a panel including key industry leaders and representatives from OpenSim and Architecture Working Group did not get the opportunity to present in London because Dr Sivian&#8217;s proposal gave the conference organizers the impression there was already a &#8220;similar panel.&#8221;</p>
<p>MPEG-V and Metaverse 1 are Dr Yesha Sivian&#8217;s projects and they are at a very early stage of development (basically an effort to define a set of requirments and garner business support for the notion of creating so called MPEG-V standards). To have credibility, in my view, these projects need to engage with other groups that are working on standards and actually have working code, asÂ  Architecture Working Group and OpenGrid Protocol (OGP) do.</p>
<p>There are some common misunderstandings about the approach of the Architecture Working Group that should be cleared up.</p>
<p>As key architects of OpenGrid Protocol (OGP), and the Architecture Working Group, frequently stress, OGP is a point of departure.Â  While its focused on the existing code of OpenSim and Second Life, the overall framework is as broad, or broader than the meteverse work.Â  The goal is to create a fully described set of web based protocols and formats which will do anything MPEG-V wants to do, but meshed far more fully into the web.</p>
<p>Metaverse1 needs to be in dialogue with the standards work that has already produced code, if they are serious about creating good standards.</p>
<h3>Out of the Trough of Disillusionment onto the Slope of Enlightenment</h3>
<p>It seems Virtual Worlds may have started onto the Slope of Enlightenment (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle" target="_blank">Gartner Hype Cycle</a>).Â  Virtual Worlds, and immersive Virtual Worlds (in particular <a href="http://secondlife.com" target="_blank">Second Life<sup>Â®</sup> </a>and <a href="http://opensimulator.org" target="_blank">OpenSim</a>), continue to garner broad consumer interest. And, the ability of Virtual Worlds to deliver added value in key areas of collaboration and energy conservation is fueling a a lot of interest from education and enterprise.</p>
<p>While worries of depression and recession in the global economy abound, and the internet is abuzz with discussion of Joe The Plumber (as Mitch Kapor noted in Twitter: &#8220;<span class="entry-content">Not since Nixon have we heard so much about plumbers&#8221;). </span></p>
<p><span class="entry-content"> Nevertheless</span>, there has been quite a steady flow of positive news from Virtual Worlds. See <a href="http://www.calebbooker.com/blog/2008/10/12/business-in-virtual-worlds-news-roundup-oct-6-12-2008/" target="_blank">Caleb Booker&#8217;s roundup</a> andÂ  <a href="http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/" target="_blank">Virtual World News</a> and check for yourself. And just in, Forbes.com post, <a href="http://www.forbes.com/technology/ebusiness/2008/10/09/virtual-world-economy-tech-ebiz-cx_mji_1010virtual.html" target="_blank">&#8220;A &#8216;virtual&#8217; Escape from Economic Pain,&#8221;</a> After scanning my reader I checked my perception in <a href="http://twitter.com" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and quickly got replies from <a href="http://wagner.typepad.com/wagner/links_to_my_informationweek_content/" target="_blank">Mitch Wagner of Information Week</a>.</p>
<p><a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/Ugotrade"><img id="profile-image" class="photo fn" src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/56220741/TishheadshotNYC3twitter_normal.jpg" alt="Tish Shute" /></a></p>
<div class="status-body"><strong><a title="Tish Shute" href="http://twitter.com/Ugotrade">Ugotrade</a></strong> <span class="entry-content"> Anyone seen ANY negative stories about Second Life lately? Seems there&#8217;s negative news everywhere else but immersive VWs r gold again? </span> <span class="meta entry-meta"> <a class="entry-date" rel="bookmark" href="http://twitter.com/Ugotrade/statuses/957104815"><span class="published" title="2008-10-13T02:07:55+00:00">about 13 hours</span> ago</a> from web </span></div>
<p><a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/MitchWagner"><img id="profile-image" class="photo fn" src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/57644893/Mitch_Wagner_business_mug_shot_normal.jpg" alt="Mitch Wagner" /></a></p>
<div class="status-body"><strong><a title="Mitch Wagner" href="http://twitter.com/MitchWagner">MitchWagner</a></strong> <span class="entry-content"> @<a href="http://twitter.com/Ugotrade">Ugotrade</a> I looked for negative stories about SL a few weeks ago, couldn&#8217;t find any recent ones. </span> <span class="meta entry-meta"> <a class="entry-date" rel="bookmark" href="http://twitter.com/MitchWagner/statuses/957109943"><span class="published" title="2008-10-13T02:13:49+00:00">about 13 hours</span> ago</a> from <a href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/Ugotrade/statuses/957104815">in reply to Ugotrade</a> </span></div>
<p><a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/Ugotrade"><img id="profile-image" class="photo fn" src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/56220741/TishheadshotNYC3twitter_normal.jpg" alt="Tish Shute" /></a></p>
<p><span class="entry-content">@<a href="http://twitter.com/MitchWagner">MitchWagner</a> &#8211; while you didn&#8217;t find any negative stories have you seen an increase in positive stories in mainstream media? </span> <span class="meta entry-meta"> <a class="entry-date" rel="bookmark" href="http://twitter.com/Ugotrade/statuses/957131133"><span class="published" title="2008-10-13T02:36:38+00:00">about 13 hours</span> ago</a> from web                   <a href="http://twitter.com/MitchWagner/statuses/957109943">in reply to MitchWagner</a> </span></p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/MitchWagner"><img id="profile-image" src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/57644893/Mitch_Wagner_business_mug_shot_normal.jpg" alt="Mitch_wagner_business_mug_shot_normal" /></a></p>
<div class="status-body"><strong><a href="http://twitter.com/MitchWagner">MitchWagner</a></strong> <span class="entry-content"> Sure. I&#8217;d say I saw only positive news in the MSM. [mainstream media]</span></div>
<h3>Recents News Events of Note</h3>
<p>The coming of age of Open Source Virtual worlds is attracting some mainstream attention now.Â  One of the leading authorities on Open Source Software and Services,Â  <a href="http://ostatic.com/" target="_blank">OStactic </a>has several recent posts on OpenSim and Open Source Virtual Worlds. And, of course, I was thrilled that Ugotrade got a mention in the most recent one, <a href="http://ostatic.com/173728-blog/open-source-virtual-reality-spreads-out" target="_blank">Open Source Virtual Reality Spreads Out.</a></p>
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<h3>Wikitecture on O&#8217;Reilly Radar</h3>
<p><a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/josh/" target="_blank">Joshua-Michele Ross</a> gave <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/10/wikitecture-radical-collabor.html" target="_blank">an excellent write up</a> today of Wikitecture a project I have followed from its inception to proof of concept in <a href="http://secondlife.com" target="_blank">Second Life<sup>Â®</sup></a>.Â  The mainstream recognition of the value of Wikitecture is really exciting. Recently Studio Wikitecture won <a href="http://www.architectureforhumanity.org/">Architecture for Humanityâ€™s</a> Founders Award for their submission; a health facility in Nepal. And Ross of O&#8217;Reilly radar offers high praise:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wikitecture is first sophisticated tool I have seen in 3D where programmed logic provides a clear structure to facilitate collaboration. Are there other radical examples of collaboration taking place that we should be looking at?</p></blockquote>
<h3>The Inaugral Sinewave Pub Quiz on OSGrid.org</h3>
<p>This was a really fun event.Â  Read all about it on <a href="http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/10/osgrid-pub-quiz-summary/#comments" target="_blank">Adam Frisby&#8217;s blog</a> including a technical write up and more on the most excellent bot-in-residence Chinzy Quizmaster running the <a href="http://www.sinewaverobots.com/home/auth.php">Sinewave Quizbot</a> code.Â  But, most importantly, don&#8217;t miss the next one while you still have a really good shot at the $500 prize! The Pub Quiz is a load testing event for OpenSim and <a href="http://osgrid.org/" target="_blank">OSGrid</a>.Â  And, as I know OpenSim has ambitions for big concurrencies in the future, try to be an early bird on this one! Next Pub Quiz: <strong>Sunday, 26th of October at 9PM GMT (1PM PST)</strong> with a Halloween theme.</p>
<h3>&#8220;Fashion Goes 3D&#8221;</h3>
<p>A recent post in <a href="http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/09/26/fashion-goes-3d/?source=yahoo_quote" target="_blank">Fortune</a> foregrounded Shenlei Winkler&#8217;s (CEO, <a href="http://www.fashionresearchinstitute.com/" target="_blank">Fashion Research Institute</a>), collaboration with IBM in OpenSim and Second Life (Shenlei Winkler is Shenlei Flasheart in Second Life and OpenSim). <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ibm-signs-services-agreement-fashion/story.aspx?guid={6626C1FE-26A8-423B-9DA3-CD70B349932D}&amp;dist=hppr" target="_blank">MarketWatch</a> also featured a piece on the &#8220;multi-million IBM Global Business Services agreement with the Fashion Research Institute (FRI) to implement a first-of-a-kind Virtual World Product Lifecycle Management (PLM) Enterprise System.&#8221; in OpenSim.Â See <a href="http://www.fashionresearchinstitute.com/media/news5.html" target="_blank">the press release here</a> and<a href="http://fashiontech.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/ibm-fri-update-virtual-fashion-for-real-world-production/" target="_blank"> this article</a> from <a href="http://fashiontech.wordpress.com/about/" target="_blank">Elaine Polvinen</a> for more.</div>
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		<title>Open Source And Interoperability Will Take Virtual Worlds Mainstream</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OpenSim was in the spotlight at Virtual Worlds Conference and Expo, LA 2008. OpenSim won a conference Innovation Award and the OpenSim booth was a hub of activity. At one time I saw conference attendees from Microsoft, Intel, and IBM all in conversation at the OpenSim table. A video of the OpenSim integration with Lotus [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">OpenSim</a> was in the spotlight at <a href="http://www.virtualworldsexpo.com/" target="_blank">Virtual Worlds Conference and Expo, LA 2008</a>. OpenSim won a conference <a href="http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2008/09/virtual-worlds.html">Innovation Award</a> and the OpenSim booth was a hub of activity.</p>
<p>At one time I saw conference attendees from Microsoft, Intel, and IBM all in conversation at the OpenSim table. A video of the OpenSim integration with Lotus SameTime was a centerpiece to Colin Pariss&#8217;, IBM,Â  keynote interview with Erica Driver of <a href="http://thinkbalm.com/" target="_blank">Think Balm</a>. And, just to back up what might seem my own seriously partisan opinion, I will note Wagner James Au made OpenSim the first of <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/09/08/my-top-3-virtual-world-conf-picks/" target="_blank">his top three pick</a><a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/09/08/my-top-3-virtual-world-conf-picks/" target="_blank">s</a> from the conference for GigaOM</p>
<p>And, if you want to know why OpenSim is sizzling hot these days and you can manage some serious gearhead discussion here is an <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/audio/OSInteroppanel.mp3" target="_blank">audio recording of our &#8220;Open Source, Interoperable Virtual Worlds&#8221;</a> panel.</p>
<p>I was facilitator for a stellar group ofÂ  virtual world uber geeks/phenom developers from OpenSim: Adam Frisby, OpenSim/<a href="http://www.sinewavecompany.com/" target="_blank">SineWav</a>e, Mic Bowman, Intel, Justin Clark-Casey, <a href="http://www.fashionresearchinstitute.com/" target="_blank">Fashion Research Institute</a>, Mike Mazur, <a href="http://3di.jp/" target="_blank">3Di</a> and David Levine, IBM.Â  See<a href="http://dusanwriter.com/?p=897" target="_blank"> Dusan Writer&#8217;s blog</a> for more on the heights of geekdom that were reached in the discussion, and for some interesting thoughts on the intersection of code, standards and social policy.</p>
<p>I open this post with a picture of Adam Frisby, Joshua Meadows, myself and Tess Linden enjoying some pre-conference Venice Beach time.  Thanks Tess for showing us that you can be a phenom developer and get beach attire right!</p>
<p>But, the heart of our panel&#8217;s message was straightforward and powerful (yes I am obviously caught up in campaign season and on a message kick) . But in case you missed the LA Virtual Worlds conference here is the essence/message of our panel again, from my perspective, and in my words, and in short (relatively!!).</p>
<h3>Open Source and Interoperability are the Basis for Innovation in Virtual Worlds.</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opensimawardpost222.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1681" title="opensimawardpost222" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opensimawardpost222.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>This picture is from <a href="http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/">Adam Frisby&#8217;s blog</a> of OpenSim &#8220;booth babes&#8221;Â  with theÂ  <a href="http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2008/09/virtual-worlds.html">Innovation Award</a>.Â  They were dubbed &#8220;booth babes&#8221; by <a href="http://dusanwriter.com/?p=897" target="_blank">Dusan Writer</a> in counterpoint to David Levine&#8217;s comment on seeing this photo, &#8220;What a bunch of nerds!&#8221;Â  David is in the center. And from the left Justin Clark-Casey (justincc), Adam Frisby (afrisby), Charles Krinke (ckrinke), David Levine (zha ewry), Adam Johnson (adjohn), Mike Mazur (mikem), Jeff Ames (chil1ken)</p>
<h3>Basic building blocks and interoperability work will make Virtual Worlds part of the fabric of everyday computing</h3>
<p>Big players like IBM and Intel are often asked why so much interest in OpenSim, in particular, when their goals obviously reach well beyond one platform. The answer to this, panelists explained, is that OpenSim is providing the best environment currently available to explore what will be the basic building blocks similar to http that will enable virtual worlds to emerge as a mainstream phenomena.</p>
<p>In conjunction with the open source Second Life viewer (despite the need for licensing changes and a new modular architecture which was discussed) OpenSim is the virtual world test kit supreme. The modular open source architecture allows for components to be disaggregated and reaggregated into new formations easily and rapidly. As I have mentioned before,Â  <a href="http://lbsa71.net/" target="_blank">Stefan Andersson</a>,  <a href="http://tribalmedia.se/" target="_blank">Tribal Media AB</a>,Â  has a catchy way of putting this,Â  &#8220;OpenSim is a rapid prototyping testbench for wannabe paradigm shifters.&#8221;Â  Stefan, one of OpenSim&#8217;s founders, notes this has been the heart of OpenSim from the start.</p>
<h3>Interoperability work is the path to achieving virtual world standards</h3>
<p>Achieving standards will take virtual world innovation mainstream.Â  The innovation emerging from open source to produce basic building blocks, and the standards emerging from interoperability efforts, panelists explained, will be the magic brew that transform virtual worlds into part of the fabric of everyday computing.Â  As Mic Bowman, Intel, describes it (interview upcoming in Ugotrade). The goal is that virtual worlds will ultimately be taken for granted much as when say &#8220;browse the web&#8221; &#8211; we take the &#8220;web&#8221; for granted (it is the applications YouTube, Flickr etc that gets our attention).</p>
<p>Our panel argued strongly that achieving virtual world standards will emerge from a combination of &#8220;rough consensus and working code&#8221; rather than &#8220;Vapor standards&#8221; &#8211; worked out by committees in the abstract. Both David Levine, IBM, and Adam Frisby noted &#8220;vapor standards&#8221; have been lost causes in the history of the internet.</p>
<p>Interoperability work allows for these basic building blocks of virtual worlds to be expressed across various computational fabrics which creates an environment for what David Levine describes as &#8220;parallel innovation.&#8221; David explains:</p>
<blockquote><p><span id=":qe" dir="ltr">The point about parallel innovation is that there are several ways to evolve things. Open Source, tends to foster the addition of features, in common to the main trunk of development. Its very much about everyone building together.</span> <span id=":qc" dir="ltr">Sometimes, we need to or want to build stuff which works with that main trunk of development, but doesn&#8217;t share code, or has to fork.</span> That&#8217;s where standards come into play.</p></blockquote>
<p>While the <a href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Grid_Public_Beta/" target="_blank">OpenGrid beta</a> has begun with Linden Lab and OpenSim, OpenGrid is just the beginning of much more extensive efforts to test and create protocols across different computational environments that will include increasingly different models of virtual worlds from OpenSim and LL&#8217;s model.</p>
<p>So another key message from our panel is:<strong> &#8220;Heterogenity fosters the creation of standards and more innovation.&#8221;</strong></p>
<h3>Metaplace and Second Life TM/OpenSim in Dialogue: Play Metaplace on a Prim!</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tadraworld-copy.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1682" title="tadraworld-copy" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tadraworld-copy.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="179" /></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/snowworld.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1683" title="snowworld" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/snowworld.jpg" alt="" width="202" height="179" /></a></p>
<p>One of the highlights of Virtual Worlds, 2008, LA, for me, was a forty minute conversation between <a href="http://www.raphkoster.com/">Raph Koster</a>, Tess Linden and myself about <a href="http://www.metaplace.com/" target="_blank">Metaplace</a> (the pictures from the <a href="http://www.metaplace.com/" target="_blank">Metaplace</a> blog are <a href="http://www.metaplace.com/" target="_blank">screenshots</a> from worlds Metaplace testers have made.<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 11px;"> </span></span></p>
<p>I will have a more detailed post on this interesting dialogue soon.Â  I think Raph illuminates some of the subtleties of what, <a href="http://dusanwriter.com/?p=886#comment-15623" target="_blank">Dusan Write</a>r noted, came across as somewhat of a Metaplace v Linden Lab debate on the Future of Virtual Worlds panel. As Raph explained, one of the the things they like to say at Metaplace is that, &#8220;virtual places are going to be first class citizens of the web next to tags, audio, video, images&#8230;.that&#8217;s a very different kind of picture of where this kind of stuff is headed&#8221;Â  (see Raph&#8217;s <a href="http://dusanwriter.com/?p=886#comment-15623" target="_blank">comments on the panel here</a>).Â  But as a little warm up to more on Metaplace soon, here are some of the remarks Raph made about integrating OpenSim with Metaplace hehe!</p>
<blockquote><p>If somebody took an OpenSim server and made it speak the tag language out.Â  Then every Metaplace client would be able to talk to the OpenSim one. And visa versa, if OpenSim can open aÂ  bog standard gpt socket, because we don&#8217;t even use a binary protocol. We use absolutely bare bones of the web. If you can connect by telnet you can connect to Metaplace. So that means an OpenSim client could become a Metaplace client, parse the tags, and play them on a prim.</p></blockquote>
<h3>RealXtend bring a cool new demo to LA</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/geneyoonandrealxtendpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1684" title="geneyoonandrealxtendpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/geneyoonandrealxtendpost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="299" /></a></p>
<p>In the picture above Ryan McDougall now senior software developer with <a href="RealXtend " target="_blank">RealXtend</a>, Tomi KujanpÃ¤Ã¤ (LudoCraft/realXtend Art Director &amp; Avatar Specialist), Hannu HollstrÃ¶m (ADMINO technologies) have a drink with Gene Yoon (Ginsu Linden), VP of Business Affairs, Linden Lab at The Metaverse Mixer Meetup at the Hotel Figueroa.Â  Cheers!</p>
<p>KudosÂ  to Linden Lab for their big picture thinking demonstrated in the work they did open sourcing their viewer at a time when few other companies would have made such a move.Â  And, more recently, for their efforts on interoperability with the <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/07/31/the-open-grid-beta-the-first-step-to-interoperable-virtual-worlds/" target="_blank">OpenGrid initiative</a>.</p>
<p>And, congratulations to RealXtend who have pushed the envelope on innovation with the open source Second Life TM viewer and OpenSim server this year. RealXtend showed up in LA with another awesome &#8220;undersea&#8221; demo that will be public on September 23rd (screenshot below from Ludocraft Ltd.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/vw08_rex_seaworldpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1685" title="vw08_rex_seaworldpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/vw08_rex_seaworldpost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="326" /></a></p>
<p>Also more exciting news from RealXtend this week. <a href="http://avimagic.blogspot.com/2008/09/big-things-ahead-for-openlife.html" target="_blank">Mac&#8217;s Virtual World</a> reports:Â  &#8220;<a href="http://openlifegrid.com/Default.aspx" target="_blank">OpenLife</a> will be the first grid based on the <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page">OpenSim</a> technology to use RealXTend features as far as I am aware of.&#8221;</p>
<h3>Augmented Reality will bring Virtual Worlds out to the mainstream.</h3>
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<p>For an important look at how instead of more people going into virtual worlds, virtual worlds will be coming out to meet the people soon, see the Augmented Reality Panel video above. For more see <a href="http://rooreynolds.com/2008/09/07/augmented-reality-panel-video-and-links/" target="_blank">Roo Reynolds</a> and <a href="http://www.davidorban.com/en/" target="_blank">David Orban&#8217;s </a>blogs.</p>
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		<title>Meltingdots: Interview with Hiroshi Asaeda, CEO</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meltingdots from left to right, Hiroshi, Ebiichi, Yamazaki, Ito at the Electric Sheep Company&#8217;s party for Virtual Worlds, 2008 in New York City. Ever since my friend Al Kronos clued me in to all the Meltingdots hotness in Second Life, I have been meaning to catch up with them. So when I met CEO, Hiroshi [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://meltingdots.com/" target="_blank">Meltingdots</a> from left to right,  Hiroshi, Ebiichi, Yamazaki, Ito at the <a href="http://www.electricsheepcompany.com/" target="_blank">Electric Sheep Company&#8217;s</a> party for <a href="http://www.virtualworlds2008.com/" target="_blank">Virtual Worlds, 2008 in New York City</a>.</p>
<p>Ever since my friend <a href="http://slambling.blogspot.com/2007/06/melting-dots-and-hot-suits.html" target="_blank">Al Kronos clued me in</a> to all the Meltingdots hotness in Second Life, I have been meaning to catch up with them. So when I met CEO, Hiroshi Asaeda and the Meltingdots crew in &#8220;real&#8221; life, I was thrilled.  And, last week I caught up with Hiroshi Asaeda in <a href="http://www.secondlife.com">Second Life</a> â„¢ (A registered Trademark of Linden Lab).</p>
<p><a href="http://meltingdots.com/" target="_blank">Meltingdots</a> are a very successful event organizer in Second Life. The screenshot below is a DJ event presented by one of Japan&#8217;s major music labels &#8211; <a href="http://www.avex.co.jp/e_site/index.html" target="_blank">avex</a>.  For more see <a href="http://avexisland.com" target="_blank">avex island in Second Life</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/avexeventpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1497" title="avexeventpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/avexeventpost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="280" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://meltingdots.com/" target="_blank">Meltingdots</a> also publish <a href="http://www.virtualworldwalker.com">Virtual Walker </a>- a virtual world themed magazine.</p>
<p>They held an event in Second Life (screenshot below) just a few days before Virtual Walker was published in &#8220;real life&#8221;.  Hiroshi said: &#8220;Everybody joined the conversation, how SL would grow, how users should get involved, and what real companies should do.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cover080318.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1498" title="cover080318" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cover080318.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="202" /></a><a href="http://meltingdots.com/" target="_blank"></a></p>
<p>You can participate in <a href="http://meltingdots.com/" target="_blank">Meltingdots</a> events in Second Life every night from 21:00PM Japan time.</p>
<p>The event in the picture below was a lecture course to how to build and customize a &#8220;meltingdog.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/howtomakemeltingdogpost.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1499" title="howtomakemeltingdogpost" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/howtomakemeltingdogpost.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="281" /></a></p>
<h3>Interview with Hiroshi Asaeda, CEO of Meltingdots</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hiroshi.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1494" title="hiroshi" src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hiroshi.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="251" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> Could you tell me a bit about Meltingdots are you still mainly focused in Second Life?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> I would answer no to that question.  We are starting in many other virtual worlds.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> Were are you starting?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> Were doing more stuff in avatar services.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> Could you explain what that means?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> All services in which avatars exist. It can be 3D and 2D. What&#8217;s important to me is that it has another virtual YOU in the web.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> So like <a href="http://www.electricsheepcompany.com/">The Electric Sheep Company</a> while you began with a focus on SL you have broadened now?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> Yes, but we are not going to quit SL.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> How is SL going in Japan? I sometimes visit Japanese sims and see a lot of enthusiasm for music and fashion?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots</strong>: There are many high quality items made by Japanese SL users. And they are very cheap.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> Is there also a scientific and educational community as in Europe and US?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> Meltingdots built a SIM for a University, but I don&#8217;t hear much about an original community yet. The reason for this is that Japan is a small country, that they can actually meet in RL if they want.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh: </strong>Have you got involved with the <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">OpenSim</a> development yet &#8211; I know 3Di is very into it!</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> Not yet in our company. But I think it is hard for companies to be satisfied in the SL client right now.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh: </strong>What are the biggest changes necessary to SL to make it more appealing to a large audience?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> Well the biggest problem so far in Japan is that there aren&#8217;t many Linden staffs  &#8211; just one! Jun Linden is my friend.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t buy land in Yen, you can&#8217;t buy Linden dollars in Yen. That problem is BIG.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> Is this because no-one in Japan has been able to find a way to become what I think Linden Lab calls a global provider?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> You have to pay LL to be a global provider and you can&#8217;t make money from bringing in new users. People buy land from LL. so there isn&#8217;t much benefit.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> And LL have no servers in Japan yet do they?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> No they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> Have you talked to people at LL about remedying this situation?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots: </strong>To make the business model work, LL should pay back each users registering to the provider. I talked with them a long time ago, maybe about 6 months ago.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 </strong>Oh: It seems to me, although the Japanese community is small, still the interest in an immersive virtual economy like SL is strong &#8211; what do you think?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots: </strong>I think it is very strong.</p>
<p>At least I can say there are no virtual worlds that are even close to Second Life yet</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> What are the Meltingdots builds that you think have been most successful?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> We think our events our the most successful so far, buildings don&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>We had real major musicians come in to Second Life. And we had them communicate with their fans.</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> We publish magazines about virtual worlds, every 3 months, 30,000 copies all around Japan.</p>
<p>We are partnered with one of the biggest media companies in japan.</p>
<p><strong>Tara5 Oh:</strong> What are the most popular avatar networks in Japan?</p>
<p><strong>Asaeda Meltingdots:</strong> youtube, nicovideo, mobile games, and Second Life. Avatar networks in Japan are mainly game sites.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re working with other companies mainly. We&#8217;re more like an agency.</p>
<p>Sorry, I have to go. My colleagues are calling me right now!</p>
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		<title>HiPiHi in Public Beta: Interview With Xu Hui, CEO</title>
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<p><a href="http://www.hipihi.com/index_english.html" target="_blank">HiPiHi</a> is taking up the challenge of building a managed world with the emphasis on creating a strong virtual economy and a community built around the trading and creation of virtual goods, just at the moment when <a href="http://www.lindenlab.com" target="_blank">Linden Lab</a> is beginning to make serious moves to an open grid (see <a href="http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2008/04/02/ibm-to-host-private-second-life-regions/" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/second-life-tamed-for-corporate-consumption/" target="_blank">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2008/04/ibm-takes-secon.html" target="_blank">here</a>).</p>
<p>While HiPiHi will not focus on real life integrations or enterprise applications, they will provide APIs for enterprises to do that themselves. They will be using the Chinese micro payment system <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/alipay" target="_blank">Alipay, by alibaba</a> which unlike PayPal does not have prohibitive costs for micro transactions.</p>
<p>IBM is a &#8220;solutions provider&#8221; for HiPiHi helping them design a systems architecture that will facilitate running a scalable world with a strong virtual economy. The early focus of HiPiHi is on building an architecture to support the virtual economy.</p>
<p>Toshitaka Jiku,  <a href="http://www.hipihi.com/news/trends_placard014e.html" target="_blank">HiPiHiâ€™s new CTO and Executive Vice-President</a> notes: &#8220;Virtual goods will be housed in a server for the purpose of creating a market place that will be our vision for an ebay for virtual worlds, so these virtual goods would be portable as opposed to having avatars being portable first.&#8221; IBM is also working with Linden Lab in the Architectural Working Group (<a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/01/07/interoperability-for-virtual-worlds-in-2008/" target="_blank">see earlier post</a>) on scaling and interoperability for Second Life and interoperability and avatar portability is part of the long term vision for HiPiHi.</p>
<p>And, HiPiHi is partnering with Intel to tap more CPU power. It has often been noted that one of the weaknesses of all current game engines and virtual worlds is they do not tap the power of the new CPUs.</p>
<p>HiPiHi has only 40,000 users so the focus of the public beta, which began April 2nd, will be on community building. While they have a future vision of interoperability with Second Life and other platforms based on the Linden Lab technology, the focus, for now, is on building a Chinese community. But they are experimenting with a dual naming system with avatars bearing English and Chinese names because international communication is very much in the HiPiHi vision of the future.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/hipihi3car.jpg" title="hipihi3car.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/hipihi3car.jpg" alt="hipihi3car.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>While HiPiHi plans for some mobile integration early on, IMing friends and inventory management for example, the emphasis at the moment is building the community inworld (also note Second Life&#8217;s recent integration with mobile, <a href="http://gizmodo.com/374984/samsung-unveilssecond-life" target="_blank">&#8220;Samsung Unveils Second Life..&#8221;</a> ). But Toshitaka Jiku, HiPiHiâ€™s new CTO is one of the first to develop a mobile interface for SL. And, Jiku comes from <a href="http://www.ngigroup.com/jp/index.html" target="_blank">NGI</a> the Venture Capital company that is also backing <a href="http://3di.jp/" target="_blank">3Di</a>, so look for interesting innovation with mobile integration in the future.</p>
<p>While HiPiHi is commonly seen as a mere Second Life clone, the work they are doing with IBM and Intel on the system architecture is hoped to produce some valuable innovation. They are also researching the innovations of <a href="http://www.realxtend.org/" target="_blank">realXtend&#8217;s </a>client. HiPiHi has a close relationship with <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">OpenSim</a> through their connection to 3Di and with Adam Fisby&#8217;s company, <a href="http://www.deepthink.com.au/" target="_blank">Deep Think</a>, that is opening offices in Shanghai. It will be interesting to see how these relationship develop over time. Xu Hui and Philip Rosedale met last year and there is a long term vision of cooperation possible. These connections if they blossomed into cooperation and full interoperability would create a very interesting step forward for positive global development through virtual worlds.</p>
<h3>Interview With Xu Hui, CEO of HiPiHi</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hipihi_jikuxu-hui.jpg" title="hipihi_jikuxu-hui.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hipihi_jikuxu-hui.jpg" alt="hipihi_jikuxu-hui.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>Xu Hui, CEO of <a href="http://www.hipihi.com/index_en.html" target="_blank">HiPiHi</a> with Toshitaka Jiku,  <a href="http://www.hipihi.com/news/trends_placard014e.html" target="_blank">HiPiHiâ€™s new CTO and Executive Vice-President</a></p>
<p>Bjorn Lee, Senior Manager, Marketing &amp; International Business Development for HiPiHi, did an excellent job of translating for this interview, not only with Chinese and English but with the skillful and patient way he worked with me to find the essence of some of my long stream of consciousness questions! Bjorn also contributed many insights, and Toshitaka Jiku stopped by with some interesting insights into HiPiHiâ€™s direction.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> Please could you tell me about your vision for the future of virtual worlds?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> The global virtual world industry will be undergoing a revolution over the next few years. What HiPiHi, Second Life and the other virtual worlds have done in the past few years has really been just setting the stage, exposing the world and educating on the possibilities &#8211; kind of like a proof of concept for what virtual worlds can do and canâ€™t do. The goal this year for most virtual platforms will be to build system architectures that can truly scale for a massively-concurrent user base, in addition to inter-operability.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> I know that HiPiHi has formed a patnership with IBM. Could you tell me more about this?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> We are working very closely with IBM in terms of building new technical infrastructure for our platform. What this means is that we will specifically be collaborating very closely on aspects such as redesigning our architecture.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute: </strong>RealXtend has been working on interoperability of virtual worlds with â€œreal lifeâ€ and working on meshes and facilitating 3D imports. Have you been in contact with realXtend yet?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> We are actively researching what realXtend is doing, as with other exciting virtual world technologies; and will seriously considering integrating them with our new system architecture.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> What is the strategy of HiPiHi re building a community of content developers?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> This is one of the focuses for HiPiHi this year. We are looking into incentive systems for content creation, including monetary and non-monetary forms. For the former, our approach will be to facilitate universal trade and have a secondary market for people to exchange their virtual goods, their creations, their applications, and so on. But in China, the model will be slightly different initially as we favor an ecosystem approach where we work with third-party providers of virtual economy functions and services. An example could be in payment systems, where instead of reinventing the wheel, we could explore ways to facilitate transactions conducted through Alipay, often regarded as the Paypal for China.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> I am a Mac user and, of course, I am really interested to know when there will be a Mac Interface and easy to use english version?</p>
<p><strong>Bjorn Lee:</strong> I am a fellow Mac user too, along with an increasing number of colleagues. So do rest assured we have an internal Mac evangelist team! Since December, we have had a very basic English version but our lack of bilingual staff has affected the development of a satisfactory support system, not to mention interface only for English users.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> How big is the market in China for Mac?</p>
<p><strong>Bjorn Lee:</strong> It is <a href="http://www.danwei.org/announcements/beijing_mac_users_group_meetin.php" target="_blank">about 1%</a>. But of course it is out of a larger population base here in China. Despite their relative lack of scale among China users, Mac users here are very enthusiastic, grassroots, and very tightly knit. Macbook Air ads are playing heavily across Beijing too and have garnered strong brand awareness among the younger set of Chinese consumers.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> What are some of the goals for the public beta which is starting in early April?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> The Public Beta will begin April 2. For public beta whatâ€™s interesting is this dual naming system that we are developing for the very first time. The first phase is for the current Private Beta users to migrate to the new naming system before we release that naming system to the public.</p>
<p>We expect a fair amount of proactive user feedback in the initial days, as with all things new. But I think itâ€™s a good step forward because it will try to bring together the English and the Chinese speaking worlds. In a â€œfirstâ€ for the virtual world, this new naming system displays both your English (that we call international name) and your Chinese name on top of your avatar. Across many in-world interactions such as chat, social networking, and for future commerce , we are trying to break down the language barrier in the virtual world.</p>
<p>But we are trying to do something to move forward in trying to foster multi-cultural interaction, with the foreign audience and local Chinese audience. Because thereâ€™s a lot of demand from local audiences here who want to internationalize and meet people from overseas and the same feedback is coming from our foreign users such as Suezanne C. Baskerville who seems very keen on learning some Chinese. She would like to put some Chinese and English on her avatar too &#8211; itâ€™s like a social â€œcodeâ€, you start putting Chinese words in your avatar and so you say that you know Iâ€™m friendly and Iâ€™m willing to speak to Chinese users. And so too for the Chinese because with the English names up there it doesnâ€™t look so foreign to the foreign audience.</p>
<p>In the later part of the year after our new system architecture is up, we will begin to consider micro payment systems. But because we are migrating to this new infrastructure, the initial stages of the public beta will just be to get more people to use the tools and continue to gather feedback.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute: </strong>â€œWhat is the business model for HiPiHi?â€</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> Our platform is oriented more for the individual users, that is the residents as opposed to the enterprises and the corporate residents. A lot of the features we are adding and a lot of the feedback that weâ€™re taking is user centric. But, as for our relationship with corporate residents, we will be opening a series of programs and that includes opening our API to allow development on our platform by the enterprises. We think of it as a self-service approach, in the form of open APIs and maybe incentive programs for enterprises to kind of drive this for themselves. But we will design and customize the platform more according to our core user group which are the non-corporate users.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> What is HiPiHiâ€™s relation to other virtual world initiatives, e.g., Entropiaâ€™s and other virtual world start ups in China?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> My starting point in responding to this is the definition of a virtual worlds in our companyâ€™s opinion is an open-ended user-directed environment. User-directed means that users would drive the content creation, the development of not just their own content, but also feed back to the company, and what they hope to see on a platform level. Open-ended also in the sense that they can have a freer rein in creating and managing their creations.</p>
<p>Concerning that kind of concept, as it plays right now in China, we are the only company that really does that. A lot of the other initiatives that have sprouted recently from the interested companies or other startups in this space have more of what we classify as virtual communities which means that they place real limits and constraints on the users ability to create, and actually have more control over their lifestyles in these worlds.</p>
<p>We will welcome other players as they enter too. We actually welcome the entry of others into this ecosystem because it helps this ecosystem grow and mature faster. And, it can only be good for the users to have so many different companies push out their products and try to reach out to them. So itâ€™s good because then theyâ€™ll be able to make an intelligent choice and see how fulfilling a virtual lifestyle they want.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> How do you plan to expand beyond China and how will HiPiHi differ in other countries? I know Linden Lab has met some interesting legal challenges as they have expanded globally.</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> HiPiHi will be the sole platform operator for China. As for regions outside China we will take a partnership approach to finding local companies which will then operate this platform. They will be licensed and hence operate this world on our behalf. Thus they will be entitled to benefits commercially and so will have to be responsible to bear the legal costs and challenges. This will reduce the amount of legal burden on our side. A US based operator of the HiPiHi platform in US will certainly have to follow US laws to be entitled to collect revenues but also they will have to handle US based law suits.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> Will HiPiHi have a strong ID verification system tying virtual identities to real identities as a way to try and control griefers etc?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> This question itself doesnâ€™t address how we think about identity. First, we are not going to have a very strong link between real world identity and virtual identity because we feel that our focus would really be to improve accreditation of what is popularly known as a reputation system for virtual identities. So we will focus on building an attractive incentive program for avatars to view their virtual identities in our virtual world as opposed to saying that youâ€™re going to tie this virtual identity very tightly to your real identity.</p>
<p>We want to create mechanisms to facilitate and encourage residents to improve their in-world reputation. But it doesnâ€™t mean weâ€™re not going to manage disruptive behavior such as griefing, which is already known to create problems for virtual worlds like Second Life.</p>
<p>We will have a monitoring mechanism for these troublemakers in our virtual world. But our intention is to let the actual policing be done by residents themselves, through self-organized groups and features we provide for them. .</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> The next generation of the Linden Lab grid architecture will separate avatar identity from what constitutes their environment. Will you be going in this direction too.</p>
<p><strong>Toshitaka Jiku:</strong> (HiPiHiâ€™s new CTO) Our server architecture will have a different focus. Our server architecture picks out virtual goods as an item that we will separate from the others in the sense that we are going to place them on different servers first. So virtual goods will be housed in a server for the purpose of creating a market place that will be our vision for an â€œebay for virtual worldsâ€, so these virtual goods would be portable as opposed to having avatars being portable first. These are just our first steps and it does also mean that avatars would be housed in a separate server. But the focus right now is to make virtual goods portable and enable the virtual economy.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute: </strong>How is HiPiHi going to deal with issues of protecting IP rights? This issue has become quite a difficult one in Second Life.</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> This is a very big question. I am just going to lay out some basic principals. We like the concepts of giving back the rights of a media creation and returning it back to the creator, enhancing the motivation and incentive systems for people to share their creations and so on. A lot of our influences come from Creative Commons &#8211; that is the first part. The second part is when IP rights are infringed we understand where we stand in the whole legislative environment. We are not a legislative body, nor can we judge or rule on certain issues of conflict. Hence what we can do as platform is to provide the data but when it comes to actually making decisions in the legislative environment we are going to rely on third-party intermediaries. This could involve bringing in real-world law makers and courts to uphold some of these IP right because we canâ€™t do that ourselves. So we do face limits somewhat similar to Second Life.</p>
<p><strong>Tish Shute:</strong> What are your goals with IBM and Intel?</p>
<p><strong>Xu Hui:</strong> IBM to us is really a solutions company. They have expertise in almost every single aspect of the IP sector which makes them a very good partner for us because we considering the architecting of our systems across all areas, client, the backend, algorithms and so on. They can help because they are pretty broad in their understanding of all IP areas.</p>
<p>But Intel has a little bit more focus. Intel is the father of the CPU. They are still the best right now in their understanding of CPU performance and we believe they are going to continue to lead this sector. So when we work with them it is going to evolve around the understanding of the CPU unit &#8211; what kind of features and abilities are we able to extract and are going to be useful for virtual worlds. I think this is something many virtual worlds have not focused on &#8211; that is extracting value from the CPU. And where better to find out how than from the makers themselves which is Intel. So we work across a broad spectrum with IBM, but with Intel we work in the vertical, and we drill very very deep.</p>
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		<title>Virtual Bali</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am on vacation (sort of) this week. But I did manage to get up early this morning to participate in the UNâ€™s climate change negotiations currently underway in Bali, Indonesia via the Virtual Bali initiative from OneWorld.net, the civil society portal in Second Life (also see the Guardian Unlimited). Dr. Walden Bello executive director [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>I am on vacation (sort of) this week.  But I did manage to get up early this morning to participate in the UNâ€™s climate change negotiations currently underway in Bali, Indonesia via the <a href="http://www.oneclimate.net/virtualbali">Virtual Bali</a> initiative from <a href="http://www.oneworld.net/">OneWorld.net</a>, the civil society portal in <a href="http://www.secondlife.com">Second Life</a> (also see<a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/2007/12/virtual.html"> </a>the <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/2007/12/virtual.html">Guardian Unlimited</a>).  Dr. <a href="http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=fellows_bello">Walden Bello</a> <span class="tni"><span class="detail_page_body2"><span class="detail_page_body2">executive director of <a href="http://www.focusweb.org/" target="_blank">Focus on the Global South</a> </span></span></span>was being interviewed by Daniel Nelson (picture above) and taking questions from Second Life.</p>
<blockquote><p>Daniel Nelson, is streamed live from Bali onto <a href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/OneWorld%20Meetings/145/104/2/?title=Virtual%20Bali">OneClimate island</a> each day, from 12.30pm GMT, in conversation with conference goers about the progress being made.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a another important opportunity for Second Life residents to participate in the United Nations Climate Change event in Bali today.</p>
<h4><strong>Congressman Edward Markey will be in Second Life.</strong></h4>
<p><strong>Congressman Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming</strong>, has decided to use Virtual Bali, on Second Life, for his speech to the UN Conference instead of spending the carbon to fly there. You can meet him and hear his presentation on the <a href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/OneWorld%20Meetings/145/104/2/?title=Virtual%20Bali">OneClimate island</a> this Tuesday at 8pm EST, 5pm PST and 1.0 am in the UK. Or you can <a href="www.oneclimate.net/virtualbali">watch it on the web</a>.</p>
<h3>The National Physical Laboratory unveils the new interactive model of the remarkable TRUTHS satellite in Second Life</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/truthsslpost.jpg" title="truthsslpost.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/truthsslpost.jpg" alt="truthsslpost.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>The new interactive model of the <a href="http://www.terradaily.com/reports/UK_Satellite_Mission_To_Improve_Accuracy_Of_Climate_Change_Measurements_Gains_Global_Support_999.html">TRUTHS satellite</a> was scheduled to be unveiled in Second Life to an audience at the United Nations Climate Change meeting in Bali.  Unfortunately a technical hitch prevented the streaming. But, I was lucky enough to attend in Second Life as the UK National Physical Laboratory Science Fellow, Dr Nigel Fox, spoke  and took questions from the Second Life audience. TRUTHS is a vital step forward for an operating system for planet earth.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>TRUTHS is a concept designed at NPL, the UK national measurement institute, to help improve the accuracy and traceability of Earth Observation data used in Climate Models to predict Climate Change, and has wide support in the international science community.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The proposed Traceable Radiometry Underpinning Terrestrial- and Helio-Studies (TRUTHS) mission is unique in establishing high accuracy SI traceable data in-flight &#8211; a â€œcalibration laboratory in spaceâ€. It also offers a novel approach to the provision of key scientific data with unprecedented radiometric accuracy for Earth Observation (EO) and solar studies, which will also establish well-calibrated reference targets/standards to support other Earth Observation missions.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Recently the need for such a mission has been specifically highlighted by the United Nations GCOS (Global Climate Observing System) and WMO GSICS (Global Satellite Inter-Calibration System) committees, culminating in the call for a specific mission by the, US Academy of sciences called CLARREO (Climate Absolute Radiance and Refractivity Observatory) of which TRUTHS is the likely component to meet the solar spectral domain</strong></p>
<p><strong>TRUTHS will be the first satellite mission to calibrate its EO instrumentation directly to SI in orbit, overcoming the usual uncertainties associated with drifts of sensor gain and spectral shape by using an electrical rather than an optical standard as the basis of its calibration. The range of instruments flown as part of the payload will also provide accurate input data to improve atmospheric radiative transfer codes by anchoring boundary conditions, through simultaneous measurements of aerosols, particulates and radiances at various heights. Therefore, TRUTHS will significantly improve the performance and accuracy of EO missions with broad global or operational aims, as well as more dedicated missions.</strong></p></blockquote>
<h3>TRUTHS in Second Life</h3>
<p>TRUTHS is being exhibited in the <a href="http://scilands.wordpress.com/">SciLands</a>, at the International Spaceflight Museum and with additional information at<a href="http://colab.arc.nasa.gov/virtual"> NASA CoLab</a>.  The UK&#8217;S National Physical Laboratory is represented in Second Life by Davee Commerce, Minna Runo, Nigel Comet, and Bing Villiers. You can IM them for more information.</p>
<p><a href="http://knowledgecast.wordpress.com/">Davee Commerce, NPL</a>,  (a.k.a. Dave Taylor in &#8220;real&#8221; life) demonstrated the fascinating new interactive model to me. I will do a longer write up in another post. This is one of the most impressive Scientific instruments to be modeled in Second Life.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/truthsinside.jpg" title="truthsinside.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/truthsinside.jpg" alt="truthsinside.jpg" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p><strong> The TRUTHS satellite contains two sets of instruments:</strong></p>
<p><strong>1/ to measure the Sun â€“ total radiation arriving at the top of the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere, and spectrally resolved</strong></p>
<p><strong>2/ to measure the Earth â€“ reflected sunlight viewed through the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere</strong></p>
<p><strong>The animations [in Second Life} show these instruments in operation.  However, the principle objective of this animation is to illustrate the novel in-flight calibration concept of TRUTHS which allow an improvement in accuracy of a factor of ten over other similar sensors.</strong></p></blockquote>
<h3>Will real data from TRUTHS be integrated into Second Life?</h3>
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<p>It was very exciting to hear Dr Nigel Fox present in Second Life. I asked him if he foresaw real data from TRUTHS ultimately being integrated into Second Life. He responded:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>It may even be we take it a stage beyond that as a concept. If you think of Google Earth where people are viewing Google Earth and looking in their own back yard or their garden to see if they can see their image from the satellite data. It is perfectly possible with the TRUTHS concept that people, viewers within Second Life, could actually control the satellite and take the data themselves and put it into models, see how the whole thing works, and actually control the satellite. I could imagine having a virtual earth and satellite where we can actually show and control the thing from within the Second Life environment so scientists from around the world can use it to determine what data they want, where from, and when within the Second Life environment.</strong></p></blockquote>
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<p>Dr. Nigel Fox also has a Podcast on Earth Observation and Climate Change on: http://feeds.feedburner.com/npl-lectures</p>
<p>Here is a short bio of Dr. Nigel Fox taken from the notecard announcing the Second Life event:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Dr. Nigel Fox joined NPL from University College London in 1981 and since that time has been engaged in the establishment and dissemination of primary optical radiation measurement scales.  The instrumentation and methodologies resulting from his developments and technical leadership have led to nearly two orders of magnitude reduction in uncertainty in many of these scales and their adoption worldwide throughout the metrological community.  More recently he has expanded his interests to include the specific needs of the Earth Observation and associated climate change community. This has led to further international recognition within this specific sector where he represents the UK and the international metrology community as a whole in a number of key committees.  Nigel has published more than 100 papers and filed two patents.</strong></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Global Communities in The Imagination Age</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tish Shute]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The serendipity of Second Life has worked its magic again to bring together an extraordinary team with a vision. In a search that looks inward and outward, Rita J. King and Joshua Fouts are asking questions about what it means to be a conscientious global citizen, and the role of virtual worlds in creating global [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>The serendipity of  Second Life has worked its magic again to bring together an extraordinary team with a vision. In a search that looks inward and outward, Rita J. King and Joshua Fouts are asking questions about what it means to be a conscientious global citizen, and the role of virtual worlds in creating global communities.</p>
<p>Recently, I met with <a href="http://www.ritajking.com/">Rita J. King</a>, CEO and Creative Director of <a href="http://www.dancinginkproductions.com/">Dancing Ink Productions</a> (a.k.a <a href="http://eurekadejavu.blogspot.com/">Eureka Dejavu</a> in Second Life) whose work as a visionary entrepreneur in Second Life was written up in the <a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_kDOk6Foe_BQ/Ru32vKK4PuI/AAAAAAAAANY/z1_5Z2gNOWY/s1600-h/RJKNYT.jpg">New York Times recently,</a> and Joshua S. Fouts (a.k.a Schmilsson Nilsson in Second Life) who directs the <a href="http://uscpublicdiplomacy.com/">USC Center on Public Diplomacy.</a><span class="bodyText">   The center has been awarded a $550,000 grant from the <a href="http://www.macfound.org/" target="_blank">John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation</a> to explore the <a href="http://spotlight.macfound.org/main/entry/launching_year_long_exploration_philanthropy_virtual_worlds/" target="_blank">role of the foundation in virtual worlds</a></span>.  A second grant has been received since for $250,000.</p>
<blockquote><p>Rita and I are examining what it means to be a conscientious global community translated through the prism of what a foundation might do to improve upon the meaning of &#8220;conscientiousness&#8221; and &#8220;public good.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In addition to meeting in New York City, I chatted with Eureka and Schmilsson in Second Life and visited The Windmill that is their work/home and a place to explore virtual expression and creativity.</p>
<p>We discussed how virtual worlds can play an important role in creating new ways for people to form meaningful relationships with each other across boundaries of culture and geography.</p>
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<p>Rita and Joshua are not restricting their activities to Second Life.  They are exploring the potential of  other platforms too.  As Rita pointed out, &#8220;Too keep it simple. It is the power of creativity that allows us to connect to each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gwyneth Llewellyn in <a href="http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2007/11/10/why-are-we-special/#more-224">a brilliant article</a> on what sets Second Life apart from a wide field of competitors notes:</p>
<blockquote><p>the <em>biggest</em> reason why we â€” the inhabitants of Second Life â€” are so special is because <em>we say what a virtual world is supposed to be</em>. And itâ€™s not just â€œsayingâ€ it; <em>we</em>, the residents, <em>implement it</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>But, while Second Life is the exemplar at the moment, the power of creativity will emerge in many forms.</p>
<p>Joshua has joined Dancing Ink Productions as the Chief Global Strategist and is heading up the think tank for the company which is called <a href="http://eurekadejavu.blogspot.com/2007/09/creating-new-energy-while-out-shopping.html">DIP (Dancing Ink Productions) 150</a>. Rita explained this is based on the idea in <a href="http://www.gladwell.com/">Malcolm Gladwell&#8217;s</a> book, &#8220;The Tipping Point,&#8221; which stipulates that over one fifty a group loses its intimacy factor.</p>
<blockquote><p>So we won&#8217;t go over a hundred fifty members.  Clients will be able to access the think tank or they can be part of the think tank. They can bounce ideas off the rest of the group.</p></blockquote>
<h2>Business in  &#8220;The Imagination Age&#8221;</h2>
<p>I asked Rita how she first came to explore Second Life and her path to virtual entrepreneurship.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>IBM was my first client. I&#8217;m currently working on a report for IBM about the development of their virtual universe community. A couple of years ago they started off with 15 passionate early adopters, and they ended up over 5000, growing daily and globally working together. So I&#8217;m chronicling the evolution of that group for them.</strong></p>
<p><strong>It&#8217;s really interesting because the first person I ever met in Second Life was <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2007/10/31/cory-doctorow-a-reverse-surveillance-society/">Jessica Qin</a>. She&#8217;s wonderful. But I had no idea that she was a star of Second Life when I came in. It was an IBMer who told me about second life to begin with.  I just finished an investigative report called &#8220;Big Easy Money, Disaster Profiteering on the American Gulf Coast.&#8221; A friend of mine, <a href="http://www.pickover.com">Dr. Clifford Pickover</a> who works at IBM, suggested that I investigate something that was more fun for a change. I said fun things don&#8217;t usually require investigation. And that is when he told me about Second Life. I was astonished!  I went and checked it out that day. Jessica Qin was the first person I met, on his recommendation.  She offered me to live on her island which I still do.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So what IBM is doing in my estimation is transforming from the idea of a multinational corporation toward a globally integrated enterprise.</strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>[Dancing Ink Productions] focuses solely on corporations, universities, any entity that is interested in the emergence of an authentic new global culture in the Imagination Age.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Rita pointed out that a key question facing people in the an age of mass media is how can you emerge and express yourself creatively and make a contribution?</p>
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<h4>I think that the answer to that is becoming a conscientious global citizen in the most creative way possible, so that your art becomes your life. In other words, you&#8217;re not creating music, books or paintings.  You can, of course, and that&#8217;s a great way to spend time and express ideas, but if you approach your own life as a work of art, everything you do in that framework is something you&#8217;re creating, that others can watch and perhaps even learn from, and you can enjoy.</h4>
<p><strong>The motion toward life as art is the hallmark of the artist of the conceptual age, the people age.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/ritaandtarawindmillpost.jpg" title="ritaandtarawindmillpost.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/ritaandtarawindmillpost.jpg" alt="ritaandtarawindmillpost.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>The Windmill is where Rita/Eureka Dejavue explores the expressive and creative potentials of  living in a virtual environment.  The tub behind us, she explained was inspired by a Schmilsson Nilsson.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Schmil can change his skin color from green. When he&#8217;s feeling sad, he turns blue sometimes.  Angry, he turns red. Green is the Zen state. So one night he was blue, and it was crushing to see. But you can&#8217;t FORCE someone to turn green again! So during the course of our conversation he went back to green, and I thought what a great place SL is for expressing the true state of your mind at a given time.</strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>So I decided to set the windmill up with things that are reflective of that. If I am in the tub (or if guests care to take a dip) then it means I have tears to wash away. I don&#8217;t have to spend a lot of time chatting about my emotional state of mind. When I get out, it means I&#8217;m not crying anymore. The Scheherazade furniture has a similar idea. If somebody has a yarn to spin, we go there. This chaise lounge has two options &#8211; to brood and to regress.</strong></p></blockquote>
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<h2>&#8220;Immersive 3D is going to completely change the way global cultures interact&#8221;</h2>
<p>Joshua also talked about how creativity was key to his interest in virtual worlds.  Joshua first got interested in virtual worlds  through Star Wars Galaxies when <a href="http://www.raphkoster.com/">Raph Koster</a> was promoting the notion that content in SWG should be driven by the community. Joshua pointed out in 2003 many people in SWG were so passionately involved in creating content that they never followed the quests.  Although since Raph&#8217;s departure from Sony Online this is no longer the trajectory of SWG.</p>
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<p>I asked Joshua to talk about how he first became inspired by the potential of virtual worlds.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Doug Thomas and I, who work at USC together, have been long time video gamers.  For the past ten years we have been having LAN  parties. When MMO&#8217;s came out, we were very interested in those with the multi-user text based engines and we played those. But then Doug introduced me to this game called Star Wars Galaxies in 2003  (screenshot above from <a href="http://www.gamershell.com/pc/star_wars_galaxies/screenshots.html?id=54">Gamer Shell</a>).  He said, &#8220;there&#8217;s this great game, you don&#8217;t have to be Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker. And I thought of you immediately Josh because you could be a chef.  You don&#8217;t have to kill anybody.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>I got into it and  said to Doug. &#8220;I guess I should take that as a compliment that you don&#8217;t see me as a hero archetype in the world of Star Wars.&#8221;  That being said loyal friend of his that I am, and long time collaborator, we went in.</strong></p>
<p><strong>I started my account and the first thing that I discovered on the very first day that I entered into the game is that no one in the game is speaking English.  In fact there were up to 5 different European languages that I could identify which was Spanish, some Portuguese, Dutch, German and French. I immediately called up Doug and said, </strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Doug this is going to change our world.  The fact that I am now playing a video game and building these relationships with people that are meaningful because of all these shared experiences.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>It was at that time that we had also just launched the USC Center on Public Diplomacy.  Public Diplomacy is usually described as how governments work to build relationships with different cultures. It was at that same point that I met Connie Yowell of the MacArthur Foundation.  And I had this epiphany where I said the immersive global nature of video games is going to completely revolutionize the way that cultures interact, the way they perceive each other, and ultimately the way that they get along.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So Doug and I launched the public diplomacy  in virtual worlds initiative. The notion was that virtual worlds were going to transform the way people met each other, the way cultures interacted.</strong></p></blockquote>
<h2>What is the role of a foundation in virtual worlds?</h2>
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<blockquote><p><strong>In January this year Connie Yowell invited me to come and present this idea to Jonathan Fanton, the President of the MacArthur Foundation.  And they said OK this is great, we&#8217;d like to support it.  Doug and I wrote a proposal that looks at what is the role of a foundation in the virtual world?   The first event was June 23rd when we brought Jonathan Fanton into Second Life. He loved it. Loved it! And now he wants to go back again and apparently this is one of his prized projects. He was very comfortable. He loves getting IM&#8217;s to his avatar [I enjoyed sending him an IM too!  See my post on <a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/2007/06/23/pres-of-macarthur-foundation-on-philanthropy-in-second-life-and-ted-global-2007/">The Role of Philanthropy in Virtual Worlds.]</a></strong></p>
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<h4><strong>Starting on November 26th  with Connie Yowell, Director of Education at the MacArthur Foundation we&#8217;re going to start bringing in MacArthur Foundation program officers to talk about what they do.</strong><strong>I think it&#8217;s going to be difficult for the Second Life community to answer what it is that foundations should do, if they don&#8217;t understand what a foundation does.</strong></h4>
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<h4>Another series we are working on is on developing what we call Exemplars &#8230; focusing on key issues that foundations support and doing an event around it.</h4>
<h4>Rita&#8217;s helping us to design these thematic events. They are to help us explore how this space can be used toward the greater public good. Public good is kind of a loaded term.  But it&#8217;s the best way I can describe what foundations mean.</h4>
<p><strong>T</strong><strong>hen we&#8217;re also going to do these exemplar events that will be on civil rights themes, education, national, and corporate. </strong></p>
<p><strong>The MacArthur Foundation is the only major US foundation supporting this kind of stuff right now. There&#8217;s this inherent fear that foundations have of the whole video games area. I think many of the major foundations have bought into this media idea that video games are bad. It&#8217;s that binary view. One is that video games are corrupting our society.  But the new alternative one is that people can get rich off of virtual worlds, which I think trivializes them. My refrain is that they either trivialize or demonize.</strong></p></blockquote>
<h4>There are also plans to stage similar events in <a href="http://www.hipihi.com/index_english.html">HiPiHi</a> in Spring.</h4>
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<h2>Global Citizens Waging Peace</h2>
<p>Recently <a href="http://eurekadejavu.blogspot.com/2007/10/virtual-vibe-jazz-fest.html">Schmilsson Nilsson</a> was interviewed by <a href="http://www.ddj.com/blog/">John Jainschigg</a> for a GridTalk on Dr. Dobb&#8217;s Island about the meaning of <a href="http://eurekadejavu.blogspot.com/2007/10/public-diplomacy-as-cultural-revolution.html">public diplomacy</a>.</p>
<p>He explained that Public Diplomacy is conventionally defined as what a government does to reach out to a foreign public or polity to explain its culture, policies, values, and beliefs. But Schmilsson and Eureka are rethinking this idea and looking at the responsibility of us as individuals and civil societies to communicate with each other as a global community.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/schmilssondrdobbs.jpg" title="schmilssondrdobbs.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/schmilssondrdobbs.jpg" alt="schmilssondrdobbs.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>Schmilsson pointed out to the Grid Talk audience:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Public diplomacy is NOT just a U.S. practice.  The term may have been defined here, but it is the UK that has implemented it best. One diplomat in the U.S. government, Nicholas Burns, describes public diplomacy as a government&#8217;s effort to &#8220;wage peace&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Indeed, I think at its heart &#8220;public diplomacy&#8221; is about facilitating inter-cultural dialogue. Public Diplomacy&#8217;s roots come from propaganda. The earliest days of it was doing counter propaganda to the Nazi propaganda machine.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Diplomacy is government to government communications.  PUBLIC Diplomacy is government to people. But I think that Public diplomacy, as I mentioned, has evolved. It is very much people to people.</strong></p>
<p><strong>This conversation is about how we as representatives from other countries and cultures coming together to understand each other.  What I mean is that other groups, citizens, civil societies, NGO, non-profits have realized the importance of helping people understand each other.  In a way, the PEOPLE have taken back the world. And I think that&#8217;s a good thing.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Having a better informed perspective on other countries and how they REALLY are informs you and, hopefully, does something to reduce our tendency toward conflict.</strong></p></blockquote>
<h2>A Platform for Inter-Cultural Communication</h2>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/korea.jpg" title="korea.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/korea.jpg" alt="korea.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>Philip<a href="http://www.iirusa.com/virtual/eventhome/19126.xml" target="_blank"> </a>Rosedale, CEO of Linden Lab, in his keynote address at the <a href="http://www.iirusa.com/virtual/eventhome/19126.xml" target="_blank">Managing Virtual Distance</a> conference held by the Institute for International Research in The Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim, CA., made a number of points on how 3D immersive platforms like Second Life can facilitate inter-cultural communication in new ways.</p>
<p>He pointed to the rich communicative capabilities of  the immersive environment that  provide opportunities for people to cross barriers of language and culture in ways a 2D web site cannot.  He gave the example of how opaque a 2D Korean web site was to a non Korean speaking visitor when compared with the experience of visiting a Korean sim in Second Life (picture above).</p>
<h2>&#8220;Only Open Will Win&#8221;</h2>
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<p>Philip Rosedale also emphasized the importance of open sourcing the Second Life server technology to ensure the growth of a global community and reaffirmed his commitment to this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/onlyopenwillwin.jpg" title="onlyopenwillwin.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/onlyopenwillwin.jpg" alt="onlyopenwillwin.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>Many of my Second Life, Facebook, and Twitter friends were at the <a href="http://www.iirusa.com/virtual/eventhome/19126.xml" target="_blank">Managing Virtual Distance</a>  event in Second Life. They  have put together some great reports already focusing on different aspects of Philip&#8217;s presentation.    <a href="http://metaversed.com/16-nov-2007/philip-rosedale-managing-virtual-distance" target="_blank">Metaversed</a> has a detailed summary.  <a href="http://artfossett.blogspot.com/2007/11/rosedale-on-managing-virtual-distance.html" target="_blank">Arts Place</a>  also noted Philip Rosedale&#8217;s expression of commitment to open sourcing the Second Life server code.</p>
<p>Tara Yeats has put together a nice concise <a href="http://http://malburns.livejournal.com/44345.html" target="_blank">video report</a>.  <a href="http://http://fleeep.net/blog/?p=123" target="_blank">Fleep</a> did some mo blogging on Twitter and live blogged from Second Life using <a href="http://bloghud.com/">BlogHud</a>. She commented on <a href="http://fleeep.net/blog/?p=123" target="_blank">her blog</a>: &#8220;I was really tickled to have Philip speaking right into my ear through the voice client.&#8221;  This was the first time also that I have been at a Second Life event that chose to use Second Life voice system to enable a speaker to present remotely to a live and Second Life audience.  The set up was simple but effective.</p>
<h2>Metamusic</h2>
<p><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bobpost.jpg" title="bobpost.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bobpost.jpg" alt="bobpost.jpg" /></a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/dizzypost.jpg" title="dizzypost.jpg"><img src="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/dizzypost.jpg" alt="dizzypost.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>Dizzy Banjo (Bob Thomas in RL) has <a href="http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/philips-first-voice-presentation-in-second-life/">an excellent post</a> on Philip&#8217;s keynote (some cool <a href="http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/05/21/windlight-atmospheric-rendering-comes-to-second-life/">Windlight</a> photos of Philip and Torley Linden too). Dizzy asked a visionary question about Second Life that didn&#8217;t reach Philip during the event but Torley answered later.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dizzy Banjo: in 20 years&#8230;when the virtual world becomes as compelling as you envisage.. what do you think will happen to the social networks of society.. do you think virtual worlds will ever be able to convey the intricacies of REAL human contact ? Whilst being incredibly positive in terms of sustainability and global innovation &#8211; are you concerned about the potential for isolation ?</p></blockquote>
<p>See Dizzy&#8217;s blog for <a href="http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/philips-first-voice-presentation-in-second-life/" target="_blank">Torley&#8217;s answer! </a></p>
<p>The important role of  music in Second Life communities was one of the points that Philip emphasized.</p>
<p>Dizzy Banjo is a pioneer and leading advocate for the development of the Second Life soundscape (see his <a href="http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/metamusic-06-roadmap/">recent post on the Metamusic Roadmap)</a>.  Dizzy described the work of Metamusic to me in this way:</p>
<blockquote><p>Music and sound in Second Life is definitely getting more attention lately from Linden Lab.  Personally I think we need â€˜Windlight for audioâ€™. Thatâ€™s the kind of qualitative difference we need, if not more. Far more of our perception of space happens through audio than most people think. If we could create a real sense of place through sound ( as well as music of course ) Second Life will be far less like the &#8220;cartoon version&#8221; of reality which many people refer to it as. Metamusic has really been about trying to find out what people want to do with music and sound, and how we can implement it.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/3796633/3/219080085">JenZa Misfit</a> has some great photos of a recent meeting of Metamusic and the many Lindens who have been attending.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tish Shute]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[White African noted last week that in â€œThe Best of Blogs, â€œthereâ€™s a number of African blogs in there&#8221; and a lot of activity over the last month in the African blogosphere. The nominated blogs include two from Africa: ActualitÃ©s de la RÃ©publique DÃ©mocratique du Congo in the best Weblog category DiÃ¡rio de um SociÃ³logo [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://whiteafrican.com/?p=794">White African</a> noted last week that in â€œ<a href="http://www.thebobs.com/">The Best of Blogs</a>, â€œthereâ€™s a number of African blogs in there&#8221; and  a lot of activity over the last month in the African blogosphere.<br />
<center><img src="http://whiteafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/thebobs-map.png" alt="The BOBs - Map" /></center><br />
The nominated blogs include two from Africa:</p>
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<li><a href="http://cedric.uing.net/">ActualitÃ©s de la RÃ©publique DÃ©mocratique du Congo</a> in the best Weblog category</li>
<li><a href="http://oficinadesociologia.blogspot.com/">DiÃ¡rio de um SociÃ³logo from Mozambique</a> in best Portuguese blog</li>
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<p>Recently, when Joshua S. Fouts (a.k.a Schmilsson Nilsson in Second Life) who directs<a href="http://eurekadejavu.blogspot.com/2007/10/virtual-vibe-jazz-fest.html"> the </a><a href="http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-admin/USC%20Center%20for%20Public%20Diplomacy" target="_blank">USC Center for Public Diplomacy </a>was interviewed by <a href="http://www.ddj.com/blog/">John Jainschigg</a>  for Grid Talk on <a href="http://www.secondlife.com">Second Life</a>, much of the latter part of the talk was spent discussing issues of digital divides with the audience.</p>
<p>Schmilsson noted that among other infrastructure challenges in Africa, &#8220;40 countries on the African continent do not have reliable Internet access. Thus, they are not a part of our conversations here. This is a major problem.&#8221; The conversation that followed covered a number of the hotly debated issues around the role of technology in situations where food, water, clothing and medicine are pressing needs.</p>
<p>This is an ongoing debate at Uthango&#8217;s Virtual Africa project (for more about this see <a href="http://slafrica.wordpress.com/">Africa&#8217;s Second Life, Our Virtual Reality)</a>. Uthango are also coming up with creative ways to connect global virtual communities.  They are currently organizing a <a href="http://blogcarnival.com/bc/submit_1680.html">BLOG CARNIVAL</a>. The Grid Talk discussion on Public Diplomacy indicated there is much interest from Second Life residents in the topic of Infrastructure development in Africa. The blog carnival is an opportunity to connect this conversation to the wider online community and African bloggers in particular.  Alanagh Recreant of Uthango explained:</p>
<blockquote><p>We believe that Africans offer a unique perspective on global issues and all stops should be pulled out to increase their authentic presence in virtual worlds.</p></blockquote>
<p>The <a href="http://blogcarnival.com/bc/submit_1680.html">BLOG CARNIVAL</a> topic is: &#8220;Infrastructure as an Enterprise Enabler in Africa.&#8221; The carnival is managed by the acclaimed blogger <a href="http://beninmwangi.com/">Benin Mwangi </a>(currently with <a href="http://www.africanpath.com/p_home.cfm">African Path</a> and respected writer for <a href="http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/">Global Voices Online</a>, <a href="http://africareadyforbusiness.blogspot.com/">Africa Ready For Business</a>).</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>It is really simple to participate by using the little form provided here:</p>
<p>http://blogcarnival.com/bc/submit_1680.html</strong></p>
<p><strong>Do you have any article or would like to say anything about INFRASTRUCTURE development in Africa? (This could include IT infrastructure or property or any other kind&#8230;)</strong></p>
<p><strong>Choose a blog article to share, and note its Permalink URL.<br />
Fill in the other fields (hint: copy and paste!), and hit Submit .</strong></p></blockquote>
<h2>Uthango&#8217;s Virtual Bike-a-thon</h2>
<p><a href="http://uthango.org/">Uthango Social Investments</a> is blazing the trail for African participation in immersive virtual worlds like Second Life while continuing to work at all levels of community development, on-line and off-line. Part of the registered not-for-profit companyâ€™s work include asset-based community development to identify gaps and find resources for adequate infrastructure, such as small business â€˜incubatorsâ€™ and shared community ICT facilities.</p>
<p>Another related ongoing project from Uthango in Second life is the [e]bizikile fundraising drive for a specific Opportunity Center in a Cape Town community for unemployed job seekers. Uthangoâ€™s Directors speak about transference from SL to RL and vice versa. They point out the [e]bizikile project could be an example of their attempts to do just that! Real life bicycles are also for sale as part of the project and will be donated to an African family in rural Africa.</p>
<p>â€œIn many parts of Africa, bicycles (and mobile phones) are the appropriate technology to drive the local economy,â€ says Enakai Ultsch of Uthango.</p>
<p>Second Life residents can purchase virtual African bicycles designed by <span style="font-style: italic">Shukran Fahid</span> of <a href="http://booperfunk.com/"><span style="font-weight: bold">!BooPeRFunK!</span></a> for L$250 and next year, participate in a grid-wide virtual bike-a-thon (for more <a href="http://slambling.blogspot.com/2007/11/get-on-yer-bike-for-africa.html">Ambling in Second Life</a>). I picked up my bike at the November 15th launch party.</p>
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